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Its not a worry at all because it is up to them to keep you happy if you are renting it

I would just ask for a 48,000 grain unit for a rental....the larger the better
Just be sure to let them test everything with the water quality so they are sure it will be adequate and all go well
and then its up to them to take care of things if the unit does not cut the mustard. You can always tell them
to come out and remove the unit if it does not work well and just stop paying the rental bill...

Basically, all they have to do is give you soft water, so it might even be a used unit or a rebuilt one that they install
but that is not your problem...... You can always ask for a new metered unit but its up to them what they install
You are renting a company to provide you with soft water which is the goal.....


and you really should give the place you bought the first unit from a nasty review on both Google and Yelp..
Not to sound like a broken record here, but reading through this forum recommends that the carbon tank should be larger than the softener. Maybe it doesn't matter? I'm getting information overload.

I was reading through the Westinghouse manual and see that there is an option for "ProP" fill or "Normal" mode. It's upflow prefill, so I changed it from ProP to Normal just now, meaning instead of it doing some calculations, it will actually use the amount of salt I selected (10 lbs for 25k capacity). Will this mess up anything or take away from the supposed benefits of upflow brining? I'm still wondering if something messed up in the valve since there was an issue in the beginning with the brine draw. Now that the brine draw is working, maybe that's not a concern.

Is it safe to change this from prefill to postfill and see if that helps any? I see the option is there and the installer had the choice, but they say prefill is superior. Was told (by this site) this is simply marketing...

Not discounting the rental idea and I may still do this, just want to make sure I try everything I can with this system since I already own it and there are options.
 
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Not to sound like a broken record here, but reading through this forum recommends that the carbon tank should be larger than the softener.
I think that would tend be the case if the disinfectant is chloramine (harder to remove) rather than chlorine. With chloramine, you would use catalytic carbon in that tank. Ask your water people.

If you are removing chloramine, a 12x54 tank with 2 cuft of catalytic carbon might be appropriate. The softener size could be smaller if your softening needs are not so high.

The carbon media does not last indefinitely. The life could be 7 years, but the level of chloramine and the number of gallons of water put thru it will all factor in. The carbon tank will make softener resin last longer.

There are low range test strips. For measuring chloramine I think you want the total chlorine strips rather than free chlorine strips. I feel confused on that topic.
 
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I think that would tend be the case if the disinfectant is chloramine (harder to remove) rather than chlorine. With chloramine, you would use catalytic carbon in that tank. Ask your water people.

If you are removing chloramine, a 12x54 tank with 2 cuft of catalytic carbon might be appropriate. The softener size could be smaller if your softening needs are not so high.

The carbon media does not last indefinitely. The life could be 7 years, but the level of chloramine and the number of gallons of water put thru it will all factor in. The carbon tank will make softener resin last longer.

There are low range test strips. For measuring chloramine I think you want the total chlorine strips rather than free chlorine strips. I feel confused on that topic.
Ohhh, okay! Thank you! This is helpful! I think my water report wasn't super clear since a disinfectant is added back after initial cleaning. It does not specify. The chlorine level is incredibly high and since municipalities sometimes change to chloramine, I went ahead and got the catalytic carbon since it will remove both.

The water company said, "We don't have hard water here. You shouldn't need a softener at all." I prefer the feel of soft water, typically... I've had three tests by water softener companies with results of 10 (first test and the company I prematurely purchased from), 7, and 5ish . My test strips said 3. I have since purchased a hach b test and after softener it is reading 0 (even with spotting on everything). So, it's softening the water but could it be causing adverse affects for another reason? This is what I'm trying to find out since none of my other water softeners have ever done this. to be fair, I had well water before this but I've never had water leave these dirty looking spots or stain my showers.

My main goals are understanding how this system works, ensuring I have settings correct, and seeing if there could be any problems with the valve, parts, etc. I don't want to mess anything up, so I'm making sure to pose questions to the pros.

There are only 2 people within an hour that service Westinghouse - the first one is a person I'd prefer to avoid at any cost, and the second doesn't sell with them anymore (but is still able to service). He came out, tested the water, and said it was working. when I asked about these other issues, they were kinda glossed over since the water was reading "soft".

My skin and hair are so dry, which is not a typical outcome of having a water softener (from my experience, anyway). And if it didn't immediately change upon showering elsewhere, I'd chalk it up to other reasons. So, now I'm seeing if settings are correct. The guy who installed the thing admitted he only worked with the company for a few months and I don't have a lot of confidence in their ability as a company to understand anything beyond what they are taught to input. There has been no critical thinking that I've witnessed.

I'll keep trying and updating this forum in the hopes that these questions & and answers help identify the problem and are searchable for someone else struggling.
 

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I know nothing about water treatment but I've seen many people on this site throw money at different problems. Need one company that has a owner that has college education degree that will take a interest in your problem. Sales people are for the most part are the problem. Dealt with closed and cooling tower treatment not domestic water.
 

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Not to sound like a broken record here, but reading through this forum recommends that the carbon tank should be larger than the softener. Maybe it doesn't matter? I'm getting information overload.

I was reading through the Westinghouse manual and see that there is an option for "ProP" fill or "Normal" mode. It's upflow prefill, so I changed it from ProP to Normal just now, meaning instead of it doing some calculations, it will actually use the amount of salt I selected (10 lbs for 25k capacity). Will this mess up anything or take away from the supposed benefits of upflow brining? I'm still wondering if something messed up in the valve since there was an issue in the beginning with the brine draw. Now that the brine draw is working, maybe that's not a concern.

Is it safe to change this from prefill to postfill and see if that helps any? I see the option is there and the installer had the choice, but they say prefill is superior. Was told (by this site) this is simply marketing...

Not discounting the rental idea and I may still do this, just want to make sure I try everything I can with this system since I already own it and there are options.


You are simply driving yourself crazy......
get out your protractor and slide ruler and try to figure out how gravity works
knock yourself out.....and see where it lands you....

So you got screwed by a water softening company, GET OVER IT and move on
if this is the worst investment you have ever made you are doing real good
 

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You are simply driving yourself crazy......
get out your protractor and slide ruler and try to figure out how gravity works
knock yourself out.....and see where it lands you....

So you got screwed by a water softening company, GET OVER IT and move on
if this is the worst investment you have ever made you are doing real good
Perhaps you’re correct, I am driving myself crazy. I’d still like to be informed to ensure it doesn’t happen again and maybe salvage my mistake. If my posts are also driving you crazy, you have the option to ignore and move on. ;)
 

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Perhaps you’re correct, I am driving myself crazy. I’d still like to be informed to ensure it doesn’t happen again and maybe salvage my mistake. If my posts are also driving you crazy, you have the option to ignore and move on. ;)
Thank you..... and that is exactly what I will do......

knock yourself out....
 
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