Choosing Between AS Champion 4 and Kohler Cimarron

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TheDookOfHazzard

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Looks like the popular opinion around here is Toto Drake, but I can only get one of those via delivery (I'm in the middle of nowhere) and it sounds like that's not a great way to go. There is a Lowe's within an hour of me and they have the Champion 4 for $199 and the Cimarron for $229. My main thing is a good flush. Because I'm a romantic, this is a birthday gift for my wife. She hates that we have to plunge our toilet 3 times a week. I know the Kohler has the Revolution 360 to help keep the bowl clean, but does that sacrifice some flushing power? I know the Champion is kind of known for it's ability to flush anything.

Also, there's this. I know people mostly frown upon Glacier Bay, but I thought it would be nice since it's a gift and it seems easier to clean*. It gets good reviews (whatever that's worth). Thoughts? Would the vacuum assist be a potential point of failure? Would it even really flush better than a good gravity toilet.


*People may think I'm a chauvinist since my wife is the one who cleans the toilet, but who else it gonna clean it, someone else's wife? That would be weird.
 

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I'm not a plumber. My experience with AS, it's not worth what you're going to put in it. I gave up, never even installed it, such poor quality and the replacements were worse. I went with Mansfield, good finish and it flushes what we put in it.
 

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If you are going to Lowes, I'd be tempted to get one of their 99 dollar Project Source ADA elongated toilets. I believe these might have been called Aquasource before? It's their housebrand of plumbing fixtures. They have standard parts and they actually work very well.
 

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Looks like the popular opinion around here is Toto Drake, but I can only get one of those via delivery (I'm in the middle of nowhere) and it sounds like that's not a great way to go. There is a Lowe's within an hour of me and they have the Champion 4 for $199 and the Cimarron for $229. My main thing is a good flush. Because I'm a romantic, this is a birthday gift for my wife. She hates that we have to plunge our toilet 3 times a week. I know the Kohler has the Revolution 360 to help keep the bowl clean, but does that sacrifice some flushing power? I know the Champion is kind of known for it's ability to flush anything.

Also, there's this. I know people mostly frown upon Glacier Bay, but I thought it would be nice since it's a gift and it seems easier to clean*. It gets good reviews (whatever that's worth). Thoughts? Would the vacuum assist be a potential point of failure? Would it even really flush better than a good gravity toilet.


*People may think I'm a chauvinist since my wife is the one who cleans the toilet, but who else it gonna clean it, someone else's wife? That would be weird.
I would get the Kohler cimmaron. It will probably work better than the champion.
 
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