Could you provide a link to a description of this solution? But if that implies to lift the pump from the well or anything with a similar impact, I will not do it. If there's something i can do within my technical room perimeter, that would be fine in most cases.
Clack WS1 CI water softener. Fill up phase is too short?
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The pump has to be out to put on a flow inducer. If you pull the pump some day, you can consider it then.
With a 4 inch pump, you would need a 5 inch or bigger well to use a flow inducer. If you have a pitless adapter, you also want to make sure the flow inducer can clear the pitless.
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With a 4 inch pump, you would need a 5 inch or bigger well to use a flow inducer. If you have a pitless adapter, you also want to make sure the flow inducer can clear the pitless.
Is a flow inducer on 4" pump really needed with large holding tank?
Hiya, Application is large holding basin, with 4" deep well pump. I've heard of shrouds or inducers for a vertical install, to help suck water from off the end of the motor, to get every last drop out of the tank, but do you really need it for cooling if the volume of water is 500 gallons, and...
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Your current settings are resulting in 16 lbs salt (=8 lbs per ft3 for your 2 ft3 system) to be dissolved into brine. This amount of brine is appropriate to regenerate 48K grains of useable softening capacity, which is why the appropriate Capacity setting will be 48K (or the metric equivalent).
The controller will automatically convert the grains capacity into gallons based on the Hardness setting that is programmed. With 48K grains useable Capacity, and 38 gpg compensated hardness, this will equal (48,000 / 38 =) 1,263 gallons capacity regenerated each cycle. The gallons displayed (or metric equivalent, likely cubic Metres), may be less due to the amount of Reserve Capacity that was programmed, since Reserve Capacity is usually subtracted immediately.
I did not see a Reserve Capacity amount in the photos. The RC setting will usually equal 1-day of useable gallons, so if your family's actual water use average is 180 gallons per day (3 ppl X 60 gallons each), then the appropriate Reserve Capacity setting will be 180 gallons.
As previously discussed, because 20-minutes is required to transfer the correct quantity of brine from the brine tank to the media tank, the Brine setting should be rightly increased from 60 to 80 minutes.
To clarify, a flow inducer shroud does not replace a CSV, but is a simple DIY cooling device for the pump.
A flow inducer is just a section of pipe to surround the pump, which is sealed to the pump at the top only, above the water inlet screen This ensures all water entering the pump inlet, will be forced to enter the shroud below the pump, thereby flowing tightly past the pump's electric motor, which will remove heat, ensuring the motor will be always sufficiently cooled while it is operating.
In some wells, water enters the casing above the pump, so without an inducer, the downward flow into the pump inlet, will not flow over the motor, so the motor is more likely to over heat, particularly due to the additional heat that accumulates while a pump is forced to short cycle.
Pumps are designed to run continuously, 24/7. It is cycling ON & OFF that reduces the lifespan of not only the pump, but also the check valve, pressure tank and pressure switch, particularly when occuring repeatedly within short time periods.
Restricting the outlet from the pump, does increase the outlet pressure, but this also will occur without a CSV, when a pump is installed in a well where the static water level is lower. With an increased static distance, the force (psi) needed to lift (pump) water the increased vertical distance, will be greater.
Because almost all well pumps utilize a centrifugal impeller design, restricting the outlet will not harm them. As restricting the outlet will reduce the flow rate delivered, the pump will not be required to work as hard, so the amount of power drawn will usually be reduced, which will reduce the amount of heat developed in the motor.
As mentioned earlier, a CSV does not restrict flow less than 1 gpm, which ensures there will always be at least 1 GPM flowing into the pump's inlet screen. Although a CSV will reduce the potential for overheating, utilizing a flow inducer will ensure the 1 GPM entering the pump's inlet, will continue to remove heat as it passes over the pump's motor.
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A lot of good work here! Just skimmed quickly. The floating stage type pump will not drop much in amperage when restricted with a valve the way a floating stack pump does. But it should still drop maybe 10%-20% and work fine with a Cycle Stop Valve model CSV1A.
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Compare to the Competition Model CSV1A CYCLE STOP VALVE is recommended for 1 to 25 gpm and is adjustable from 15 psi to 150 psi. It is a stainless steel valve with a molded thermoplastic spring cage. It also has three additional ports (2 - 1/2" and 1- 3/4") and can be used as a pressure tank...
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Tbh, I'm a bit lost here.
So the programming steps would be these:
Then what are the values for these steps (6S, 7S, 8S) I have to input to my valve?
The BRINE setting will be 80 mins, this is clear.
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6S - Program the quantity of salt to be utilized for regeneration. As previously calculated, to regenerate 48,000 grains of useable capacity (or your metric equivalent) will require 16 lbs (7.257 Kgs) salt to be dissolved each cycle. If your controller will not accept 7.257 Kgs, then round up to the next higher accepted quantity (ex: 7.3 Kgs).
7S - Program the appropriate metric unit, equal to 48,000 grains capacity.
8S - I anticipate a number may be already showing, which was calculated by the controller based on it the hardness, 6S and 7S settings previously entered. If no number showing, set to AUTO.
7S - Program the appropriate metric unit, equal to 48,000 grains capacity.
8S - I anticipate a number may be already showing, which was calculated by the controller based on it the hardness, 6S and 7S settings previously entered. If no number showing, set to AUTO.
All clear, except step 7S value... Currently, I have this setting (attached), "115 cubic meters".
How to "convert" this 48,000 grains into a value in cubic meters, as the valve expects? This can't be done directly, they are not equivalent measurements.
In the document extract from above at step 7S, my understanding is that IF the hardness is expressed in "PPM", then the value of step 7S should be given in Kg of salt. But if hardness is expressed in dH (my case), this setting should be in cubic meters (this is in line with the display). But then, I come back to the initial question... you're all the time writing the capacity as 48,000 grains (because in N. America, you have the hardness in PPM), but in metric system, this value should be as cubic meters - which one?
I thought that maybe it could be this the value I need:
"(48,000 / 38 = 1,263 gallons" and convert gallons into cubic meters, this is 4.8 cubic meters.
But my current value is "115 cubic m", which is waay off than the 4.8, so something's telling me I'm wrong
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I don't know Clack, but if the units are in cubic meters, I would suspect that would be the volume of water that should be passed before scheduling regen. But that cannot be right since that would be 30380 gallons.... way too much. I know this restates what you already said. Now if I presume an implied decimal point, and the value is 1.15, that would be 304 gallons... which seems low unless your water is very hard. So I cannot come up with a plausible hypothesis.
Suppose you enter hardness in PPM? That might be easier.
EDIT: new hypothosis--- bad documentation... hardness in PPM is entered in Kg calcium equiv per cubic meter (which is the same as mg/l). That horizontal line in the right column maybe should not be where it is.
So if dH and fH are separate choices, maybe you just enter the appropriate number... but that would be very high hardness, since dH is 0.9591 of the gpg number.
Suppose you enter hardness in PPM? That might be easier.
EDIT: new hypothosis--- bad documentation... hardness in PPM is entered in Kg calcium equiv per cubic meter (which is the same as mg/l). That horizontal line in the right column maybe should not be where it is.
So if dH and fH are separate choices, maybe you just enter the appropriate number... but that would be very high hardness, since dH is 0.9591 of the gpg number.
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See page 9 of https://www.watermag.ro/admin/pdf_uploads/manual-tehnic-VALVA-CLACK-CI.pdf for a different table.
For easier troubleshooting, I'm listing here all the current parameters in my valve:
Hardness = dH 36
Hardness 2 = dH 0
Regen day = 15
Softening
1. Backwash = 5 min
2. Brine (dn) = 60 min
3. Backwash = 8 min
4. Rinse = 5 min
5. Fill = 6.75 Kg ?? (I don't know if I'm reading well the display, where it says "Kg 5 6.75 FILL")
Capacity = d 115 mc
Regen = Auto (mc)
Set time (regen) = Normal
RLY 1 = OFF
RLY 2 = OFF
SALT (Kg) = OFF
Now, about that 115 mc in the "capacity" (equal to Hardness * <volume of softened water in cubic meters (mc) >).
I played with that value some days ago:
if I changed Capacity to 105 mc => volume of water remaining till regen was 2.03 mc
if cap = 125 => 2.58 mc
if cap = 115 (as it was initially) => 2.31 mc
Immediately after regen, it means that volume of water till next regen will be 115 / 36 = 3.2 mc
If we define C as the volume of water already consumed at that time (I didn't know it) and to verify the consistency, we have:
3.2 mc - <volume already consumed, C) = 2.31 mc => C ~ 0.9 mc
For capacity setting 105, we have 105/36 - C = 2.03 mc => C ~ 0.9 mc
For capacity setting 125, we have 125/36 - C = 2.58 mc => C ~ 0.9 mc
So the formula for "capacity" and consistency of data is verified !
It means, the Capacity should be input by the user as Hardness * volume of water to treat/handle (V). In my case, V = 3.2 cubic meters.
The question is, where this 3.2 mc comes from? Probably from this setting : "Kg 5 6.75 FILL"
Then I'm wondering, is this a good value? for my system having 55 liters (2 cubic feet) of resin and 6.75 Kg (14.9 lbs) of salt.
Hardness = dH 36
Hardness 2 = dH 0
Regen day = 15
Softening
1. Backwash = 5 min
2. Brine (dn) = 60 min
3. Backwash = 8 min
4. Rinse = 5 min
5. Fill = 6.75 Kg ?? (I don't know if I'm reading well the display, where it says "Kg 5 6.75 FILL")
Capacity = d 115 mc
Regen = Auto (mc)
Set time (regen) = Normal
RLY 1 = OFF
RLY 2 = OFF
SALT (Kg) = OFF
Now, about that 115 mc in the "capacity" (equal to Hardness * <volume of softened water in cubic meters (mc) >).
I played with that value some days ago:
if I changed Capacity to 105 mc => volume of water remaining till regen was 2.03 mc
if cap = 125 => 2.58 mc
if cap = 115 (as it was initially) => 2.31 mc
Immediately after regen, it means that volume of water till next regen will be 115 / 36 = 3.2 mc
If we define C as the volume of water already consumed at that time (I didn't know it) and to verify the consistency, we have:
3.2 mc - <volume already consumed, C) = 2.31 mc => C ~ 0.9 mc
For capacity setting 105, we have 105/36 - C = 2.03 mc => C ~ 0.9 mc
For capacity setting 125, we have 125/36 - C = 2.58 mc => C ~ 0.9 mc
So the formula for "capacity" and consistency of data is verified !
It means, the Capacity should be input by the user as Hardness * volume of water to treat/handle (V). In my case, V = 3.2 cubic meters.
The question is, where this 3.2 mc comes from? Probably from this setting : "Kg 5 6.75 FILL"
Then I'm wondering, is this a good value? for my system having 55 liters (2 cubic feet) of resin and 6.75 Kg (14.9 lbs) of salt.
