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    Default Softener settings

    Setting recommendations,

    My softener is a 2cf softener with Clack WS-1 CS and regular resin. Using morton solar salt.
    The controller is currently set to P14 which if I'm reading the manual correctly should give me
    BW = 8
    Brine / Slow Rinse = 60
    2nd BW = 6
    Fast Rinse = 6

    Day Override setting = 14

    City water hardness is 21.6 ( per the water co ).
    Softener hardness is set to 23.

    Flow rate at hose bib = 16 gal. min.
    1" water line.

    4 adults in household, 3 full bath.
    Do these settings seem ok or should I change ?

    Tks.

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    Those settings look good even though I'm not sure why the 2nd BW. IMO the 2nd BW should be used for water with iron.

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    What K of capacity?

    How many lbs of salt?

    Pre or Post Refill?
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    9.5 lbs salt.
    64, 000 unit.
    Post fill.

    ( 0 - Iron in water supply ).

    Also have a question for Gary,
    Should I run it thru 2 back to back manual regin's
    at full salt dose in order to get full gen. capacity.
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    The max is 60K for a 2.0 cuft and to get that you need 30 lbs of salt. That is terrible salt efficiency of 2000 grains/lb (60,000/30=2000).

    4*60= 240* 23= 5520*8= 44160 rnd to 45K. 45,000/3333= 13.5 lbs 45000/5520= 8 days and 8*240=1920 gallons. No reserve is needed with variable reserve. Calendar override day 8 or 9.

    No 2nd backwash. Normal On 0

    You only do the 2 manual regenerations if you run low or out of salt.
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    And this is were I disagree. There is no mention of compensated hardness. The hardness should be set at 26. As far as the override, I see no need for an overirde of 8 or 9 on city water. IMO, the overirde should be used on water with iron.

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    So should I drop the capacity down from default 64k, and manually change it to 45k. ?

    Why would I need to change hardness to 26 ? What would changing hardness setting to 26 do ?

    Previously, when we had a rayne unit, they had a 2cf with flack 5600 sxt set to 27
    While it was great for salt usage, it never seemrd to really soften the water sufficiently.

    Here is rayne's old settings / readings.

    5600 SXT
    DF gal
    VT df 16
    CT fd
    Nt --- 1
    C 40x 1000
    H 27
    RS rc
    RC 225
    DO off
    RT 3:00
    BW 10
    BD 60
    RR 10
    BF 16
    FM t0.7
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    Compensated hardness takes into account hardness minerals that are not picked up on standard tests. I would set the unit at 26 GPG. You can set the capacity at 45K using 13.5 lbs of salt as Gary pointed out. You could also set it at 40K capacity using 12 lbs salt.

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    In order to properly change the ws-1cs, to 40 or 45k, I need to change both,
    the settings for capacity from 64K down to 40k or 45k and changethe salt lbs.settings to 12 or 13.5
    correct ?]

    Just want to make sure I am going into the proper settings by pressing the correct button sequence in the proper order and am not changing something I shouldn't be changing.
    Tks

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    Press and hold the next and down button at the same time for about 3 sec. Press the next button untill you see the capacity setting and set to the desired setting. Press next again and set the salt setting. Keep pressing the next until you reach the general display.

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    Thats what I did. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't making the changes the wrong way in the program settings.

    Tks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by mialynette2003 View Post
    Compensated hardness takes into account hardness minerals that are not picked up on standard tests. I would set the unit at 26 GPG. You can set the capacity at 45K using 13.5 lbs of salt as Gary pointed out. You could also set it at 40K capacity using 12 lbs salt.
    Show us what hardess minerals you are talking about and how you get 3 more gpg.

    If he changes the K of capacity, he has to change the gallons too but why would you want him to reduce the K of capacity?
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    Name:  compensated hardness 001.jpg
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Size:  38.4 KBI get my info from a book just like you do.
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    If you can recall I told you the other day that I don't have a book but...

    That must be from a supplier (maybe those selling a mixed bed softener) and I've never seen anything like that but I have seen where to add for iron and manganese, which your info doesn't mention.

    TnTent, use my figures or you will be regenerating at least one day sooner and using more salt and water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Slusser View Post
    If you can recall I told you the other day that I don't have a book but...

    That must be from a supplier (maybe those selling a mixed bed softener) and I've never seen anything like that but I have seen where to add for iron and manganese, which your info doesn't mention.

    TnTent, use my figures or you will be regenerating at least one day sooner and using more salt and water.
    Instead of acknowledging the fact that you have to use compensated hardness to properly set up a unit, you choose to try and discredit me by saying it may be for mixed bed softener. LOL Do you see anywhere it says mixed bed? Where does it show the iron or manganese amount? Even a softener GURU like yourself makes mistakes, but you will NEVER admit it. You are telling him to set it up using only the measured hardness. If this is how you teach, please don't try and teach me anything. And noticed I added the hardness leakage chart. The less salt you use the higher chance of hardness leakage. You are trying to squeeze 5K using 1.5 lbs of salt. It may work for you, but I would rather my customers not take that chance of having hardness leakage. The whole point of getting a softener is to get rid of the hardness.

    TnTent, set it up whatever way you want. Once you get your test kit, you can play with the settings and get the most out of it if you want.
    Last edited by mialynette2003; 04-15-2013 at 05:46 PM.

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