Unions. Yes or NO?
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Jadnashua
Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx
While cutting corners and working too fast should be avoided as it often ends up being unsafe and producing a poor result, telling someone who is skilled to not work to their capability is one reason jobs migrate to overseas and unskilled labor, cutting your own throat. If finishing early is thought to be a problem, consider asking for a premium. Conversely, you should be penalized for finishing late. Milking a job just because you can is, in my mind, fraud. If the goal is to not make a slower, but qualified worker look good, tough. Not everyone is created equal, and never will be. Some vertically challenged people just never will make it in the pro basketball leagues, and it follows in life. Make the best of what you have, and don't mock those who have lesser capabilities. Paying everyone the same just forces mediocrity and stiffles innovation and productivity.
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Redwood
Master Plumber
Geez NH Master... Looks like McCain pulled of the ultimate Coup d'état picking Sarah Palin as his VP running mate...
The Dems are kicking themselves hard today!
The Dems are kicking themselves hard today!
Master Plumber 101
In the Trades
Geez NH Master... Looks like McCain pulled of the ultimate Coup d'état picking Sarah Palin as his VP running mate...
The Dems are kicking themselves hard today!
Sarah who???????? Exactly!
Union Made!
Redwood
Master Plumber
Yup not a bit of dirt to be found...
Cept maybe the state trooper brother in law...
Not like them skeletons jangling in Clintons closet
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Master Plumber Mark
Sensitivity trainer and plumber of mens souls
she is nothing like the CLINTONS
Skeletons in the closet is not really not the right term to
describe Hillory Clinton...
more like bodies in the rose garden...
If Hillory would have been the choice for VP,
Obama had better get himself a food taster...
She would do anything to get him out of the way...
just ask the family of Vince Foster...... (remember him)
Skeletons in the closet is not really not the right term to
describe Hillory Clinton...
more like bodies in the rose garden...
If Hillory would have been the choice for VP,
Obama had better get himself a food taster...
She would do anything to get him out of the way...
just ask the family of Vince Foster...... (remember him)
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Dunbar Plumbing
Master Plumber
Redwood
Master Plumber
Anybody hearing anything about the DNC...
All the stuff I'm seeing is about McCain and his running mate...
All the stuff I'm seeing is about McCain and his running mate...
Master Plumber 101
In the Trades
Redwood, quit posting your hack work.
Why union's are important. (Redwood pro non-union install hack job)
Why union's are important. (Redwood pro non-union install hack job)
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Redwood
Master Plumber
There is only one guy on this forum that advocates torching PVC pipe and bending it...
https://terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23137
Why do I always feel compelled to point out bad advice that is offered by a psycho...
https://terrylove.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23137
Why do I always feel compelled to point out bad advice that is offered by a psycho...
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Im not a plumber, but i find this thread interesting over union and non union workers.
Ive always supported unions, even though there is 'abuse' in some areas, overall the unions have helped bring about better wages and health insurance and standard of living for all, both union and non union.
I would hate to see what it would be without unions. Its funny to see/hear about Wal mart fighting to keep unions out.
Ive always supported unions, even though there is 'abuse' in some areas, overall the unions have helped bring about better wages and health insurance and standard of living for all, both union and non union.
I would hate to see what it would be without unions. Its funny to see/hear about Wal mart fighting to keep unions out.
Redwood
Master Plumber
So thats what it looks like when you heat and bend PVC...
I guess thats why I don't do it...
I just find it hard to believe that you would argue so hard about doing it when it clearly is not allowed.
I like the idea of restoring unions to the common man...
Perhaps if that could be done there might actually be a reason for the common man to join...
Frankly the thought of paying dues to support the lifestyle of a union fat cat is disgusting to me...
I'll negotiate my own deal! Thanks but no thanks.
I find it kind of funny that you being a good union organizer would actually post about the achilles heel of the union.
Clearly they have gone from representing the rank and file member,
to providing for themselves...
Sad....
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Master Plumber 101
In the Trades
Nice post RW, but please don't blame your hack work on me. Remember, wealth is created by labor therefore wealth should go to labor.
Dunbar Plumbing
Master Plumber
Damn, that picture is pathetic.
One of my customers "was" a union president until last wednesday.
Settlement talks always start in september and they ousted this guy for a simple mistake of checking a box stating the equipment production line was properly functioning when in retrospect it was not.
He has a family of 4, a wife. He's on his own along with the few thousand he had to get together to get an attorney.
Attorney states that if he wins, he gets all his wages compensated and his job back...but the attorney made no promises.
He said if the guy in arbitration is having a bad hair day, it could go either way, depending on how much evidence he needs to compile to bring a strong case.
Bottom line, it didn't matter his level of stature in that union. 17 years and WHAM! you're a casualty.
He's talking about getting a commercial driver's license or better yet, pumping shit out of port-o-lets because it's paid vacation, paid health insurance.
Well, think about it; ever think of the dangers of pumping a port-o-let is?
This guy is pretty sure he's out of a job, at least the context of looking for another job sounded serious, and he implied that being 44 really makes it harder as the work force discriminates.
He's already got a situation whereby he gets chemo treatments for his liver problem and was working 4-10's, not working a 5 day work week. Another reason for the union to axe this guy. That's right, I said union.
One of my customers "was" a union president until last wednesday.
Settlement talks always start in september and they ousted this guy for a simple mistake of checking a box stating the equipment production line was properly functioning when in retrospect it was not.
He has a family of 4, a wife. He's on his own along with the few thousand he had to get together to get an attorney.
Attorney states that if he wins, he gets all his wages compensated and his job back...but the attorney made no promises.
He said if the guy in arbitration is having a bad hair day, it could go either way, depending on how much evidence he needs to compile to bring a strong case.
Bottom line, it didn't matter his level of stature in that union. 17 years and WHAM! you're a casualty.
He's talking about getting a commercial driver's license or better yet, pumping shit out of port-o-lets because it's paid vacation, paid health insurance.
Well, think about it; ever think of the dangers of pumping a port-o-let is?
This guy is pretty sure he's out of a job, at least the context of looking for another job sounded serious, and he implied that being 44 really makes it harder as the work force discriminates.
He's already got a situation whereby he gets chemo treatments for his liver problem and was working 4-10's, not working a 5 day work week. Another reason for the union to axe this guy. That's right, I said union.
99k
Radon Contractor and Water Treatment
Between Redwood and the union organizer, this thread is better than Comedy Central
Redwood
Master Plumber
I just don't think there is any comedy if you are one of his victims...
Opps I mean customers...
Opps I mean customers...
Master Plumber 101
In the Trades
Happy Labor Day!!
Jimbo
Plumber
I thought this thread was drifting off-topic, so here you go:
UN ION
UN ION
Master Plumber 101
In the Trades
Labor create's wealth, therefore wealth belong's to Labor.
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