Ed Rucker
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I'm having problems locating 1" SIDR 7 poly in East Texas. I can find lots of SDR poly. I could use 1 1/4 and or SIDR 9 also. Any leads on this would be great. I need a 300 ft. coil. - Thanks
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Poly SIDR 7 in Texas
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ASTM D2239 is a size standard for SIDR pipe I think.
http://www.charterplastics.com/pipe/ calls this IDR, and https://plastipipe.org/pdf/chapter06.pdf says IDR = ID -Controlled Pipe Dimension Ratio.
https://www.astm.org/Standards/D2239.htm says the D2239 spec is "Standard Specification for Polyethylene (PE) Plastic Pipe (SIDR-PR) Based on Controlled Inside Diameter". http://www.carlonsales.com/techinfo/faqs/FAQ-HDPE.pdf says "SIDR stands for Standard Inside Diameter Ratio, which is the inside diameter divided by the wall thickness."
So why am I bringing up D2239? I think some sellers call that pipe IPS. Now I think that is a misnomer, in that IPS implies a standard OD rather than a standard ID. But I am suggesting you investigate this.
See https://www.deanbennettsupply.com/pipe.html and under "POLYETHYLENE PIPE" click
Specifications. You will see that the resulting page shows the same pipe as SIDR and IPS.
So with that in mind, see https://www.homedepot.com/p/Advance...ft-250-psi-NSF-Poly-Pipe-X2-1250100/206669567 as an example. Let us know what you learn.
http://www.charterplastics.com/pipe/ calls this IDR, and https://plastipipe.org/pdf/chapter06.pdf says IDR = ID -Controlled Pipe Dimension Ratio.
https://www.astm.org/Standards/D2239.htm says the D2239 spec is "Standard Specification for Polyethylene (PE) Plastic Pipe (SIDR-PR) Based on Controlled Inside Diameter". http://www.carlonsales.com/techinfo/faqs/FAQ-HDPE.pdf says "SIDR stands for Standard Inside Diameter Ratio, which is the inside diameter divided by the wall thickness."
So why am I bringing up D2239? I think some sellers call that pipe IPS. Now I think that is a misnomer, in that IPS implies a standard OD rather than a standard ID. But I am suggesting you investigate this.
See https://www.deanbennettsupply.com/pipe.html and under "POLYETHYLENE PIPE" click
Specifications. You will see that the resulting page shows the same pipe as SIDR and IPS.
So with that in mind, see https://www.homedepot.com/p/Advance...ft-250-psi-NSF-Poly-Pipe-X2-1250100/206669567 as an example. Let us know what you learn.
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Ed Rucker
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My brief research has seemed to indicate that IPS = Iron Pipe Size. IPS is the same as SIDR = Standard Inside Dimension Ratio
IPS and SIDR sizes are the ID size
The other common poly pipe sizing convention is CTS = Copper Tubing Size aka SDR (not sure what SDR stands for). CTS and SDR poly pipe dimensions refer to the OD size. As an example, the ID of SDR 9 1 1/4" CTS is 1.069". The ID of 1-inch SIDR 7 is 1.049 inches. Both are 250 PSI.
As nearly as I can tell:
SIDR 7 = 250 PSI
SIDR 9 = 200 PSI
SIDR 11 or 11.5 = 160 PSI
I have about 400 feet of total head. I believe this gives me about 175 PSI at the pump. I'd like to have a SIDR 7 250-PSI pipe but would settle for SIDR 9 200-PSI pipe.
Regarding Home Depo, I believe they have some 200 PSI IPS poly pipe that would work but unfortunately, it shows a month before delivery.
The search continues...
IPS and SIDR sizes are the ID size
The other common poly pipe sizing convention is CTS = Copper Tubing Size aka SDR (not sure what SDR stands for). CTS and SDR poly pipe dimensions refer to the OD size. As an example, the ID of SDR 9 1 1/4" CTS is 1.069". The ID of 1-inch SIDR 7 is 1.049 inches. Both are 250 PSI.
As nearly as I can tell:
SIDR 7 = 250 PSI
SIDR 9 = 200 PSI
SIDR 11 or 11.5 = 160 PSI
I have about 400 feet of total head. I believe this gives me about 175 PSI at the pump. I'd like to have a SIDR 7 250-PSI pipe but would settle for SIDR 9 200-PSI pipe.
Regarding Home Depo, I believe they have some 200 PSI IPS poly pipe that would work but unfortunately, it shows a month before delivery.
The search continues...
Agree with sentence 1. I feel uncomfortable with sentence 2. I am also uncomfortable with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_pipe_size
To me, PVC pipe is iron pipe size, and CPVC is copper pipe size. But maybe I should adapt to some other use of words.
So anyway, I would feel comfortable with pipe said to conform to ASTM D2239 or SIDR to fit the barbs.
SDR stands for "Standard Diameter Ratio" which is the outside diameter divided
by the wall thickness.
To me, PVC pipe is iron pipe size, and CPVC is copper pipe size. But maybe I should adapt to some other use of words.
So anyway, I would feel comfortable with pipe said to conform to ASTM D2239 or SIDR to fit the barbs.
SDR stands for "Standard Diameter Ratio" which is the outside diameter divided
by the wall thickness.
Ed Rucker
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Absolutely agree with this...
Now to find some that is currently available, 300 feet long and rated 200 or 250 PSI
On another note, I gave up on the layflat hose because it's just way too costly. Like 300% to 500% more than poly.
300 ft down, or 200 down, and some extra pipe for whatever? Make sure you dangle that from an extra long barb with 3 clamps on it.... Actually, I am not saying that the pipe is strong enough. Look elsewhere for that info.
Menards does not ship outside of their coverage area, and their area does not have anything close to Texas, or AR, or LA.
Have you considered using a pitless adapter? Probably not. A pitless adapter is like a quick-disconnect. When you use a well seal, it is the fitting on top of the well seal that carries the weight. I would make that a tee. Side port for the water out, and the top port to accept a lifting attachment.
I am not a pro, and I have my well work done professionally. They are fast.
I am not saying that the pipe is st
Menards does not ship outside of their coverage area, and their area does not have anything close to Texas, or AR, or LA.
Have you considered using a pitless adapter? Probably not. A pitless adapter is like a quick-disconnect. When you use a well seal, it is the fitting on top of the well seal that carries the weight. I would make that a tee. Side port for the water out, and the top port to accept a lifting attachment.
I am not a pro, and I have my well work done professionally. They are fast.
I am not saying that the pipe is st
Ed Rucker
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That is what I bought, Kinda. This:
I grew weary of hunting. This should be in, in about 2 weeks at the Branson, MO store. It's by far the best price I've found. They won't ship to Texas so I've got a 6+ hour drive to get it. My brother lives there so I'll either get him to meet me halfway or spend the night with him before coming back.
It's going to be 275' down so I'll have 25' left over. I think a pitless adapter would be invaluable in the north, not so much so here.
I grew weary of hunting. This should be in, in about 2 weeks at the Branson, MO store. It's by far the best price I've found. They won't ship to Texas so I've got a 6+ hour drive to get it. My brother lives there so I'll either get him to meet me halfway or spend the night with him before coming back.
It's going to be 275' down so I'll have 25' left over. I think a pitless adapter would be invaluable in the north, not so much so here.
Ed Rucker
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Do they make long barbs? I haven't seen any. Sounds like a good idea.
The well people here are months behind so I'm doing this out of necessity, in addition to several thousand dollars in savings.
The well people here are months behind so I'm doing this out of necessity, in addition to several thousand dollars in savings.
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Ed Rucker
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Well, that's perfect! Thank you. I wouldn't have even known to look for those.
Gonna make a poly puller out of something. Found wheelbarrow wheels for $12. with a trip to the local scrap yard I figure about $50 total for a decent puller. I have 2 weeks to complete before the poly gets in
Gonna make a poly puller out of something. Found wheelbarrow wheels for $12. with a trip to the local scrap yard I figure about $50 total for a decent puller. I have 2 weeks to complete before the poly gets in
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Think bigger diameter. That pipe is pretty stiff.
part 1
pulling pump part 2
The next video shows the rig better. They were putting the new pump down:
part 3 putting new pump down.
I have not watched this one:
Other thoughts.... pipe will stretch. Do not make wire too tight. I have no numbers for you.
How big diameter is your well? Flow inducer is good if there is enough room.
Grundfos SQ pumps are 2-wire 3 inch pumps with automatic slow start.
Use quality stainless worm gear clamps. All stainless would be good, but wrapping in electrical tape will limit rusting for a non-stainless worm gear. Stagger the worms around the pipe.
Take photos. Be careful. Not worth life or limb.
The next video shows the rig better. They were putting the new pump down:
I have not watched this one:
Other thoughts.... pipe will stretch. Do not make wire too tight. I have no numbers for you.
How big diameter is your well? Flow inducer is good if there is enough room.
Grundfos SQ pumps are 2-wire 3 inch pumps with automatic slow start.
Use quality stainless worm gear clamps. All stainless would be good, but wrapping in electrical tape will limit rusting for a non-stainless worm gear. Stagger the worms around the pipe.
Take photos. Be careful. Not worth life or limb.
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