Since it does not remove anything Does it affect sudzing while taking a shower like hard water does....or does it allow greater sudzing like soft water...
Peter, the only US scientific testing done on the technology was with Onspex Labs in Cleveland last year. This test was commissioned independently by RS Jackson Resources using Rheem tankless water heaters as the test subject. Their conclusions overwhelmingly confirmed that the Hydropath technology prevented lime scale build up in the heat exchanger vs no treatment at all.
Well look now. I have seen many of these type of conditioners come and go from the market over the years and the one thing they all have in common is a total lack of verifiable testing or published results from standard water quality testing that can be done by any competent water test lab. I read a lot of testimonials and folks that say the water "feels better" or they are using less soap and such but lets face it, those are subjective assessments at best and there is no empirical data to back up any of those claims. Now you can argue the point or you can simply subject the equipment to simple water tests and put the subject to rest. So when someone says to me that no the equipment does not soften the water or remove calcium or magnesium but it does de-lime the pipe, what does that mean? and for that matter who cares. Liming is rarely a problem in copper, pex or cpvc piping systems.
The Onspex study on the use of Hydropath for preventing lime scale in Rheem tankless water heaters proved that the technology worked as claimed by the manufacture. Some on this forum, say that this testing was flawed, but do not say how or point out any truth behind their statements.
I'll be more than happy to provide the forum with a brief review regarding the short comings of the OnSpex evaluation. Just so that there is no confusion, can you provide a link to the version of the evaluation you would like for me to work from? For example: if I link to the evaluation from Hydropath Canada the evaluation is not the same as the evaluation linked to from the Hydropath UK site.
Physical water treatment (PWT), including magnets, does work in constantly circulating closed loop systems but not so well in residential applications where 99% of the time the water is stagnant. "Works" is defined as preventing hard water scale build up in pipe, fixtures, water heaters and water using appliances..
Well alrighty then, we should know all there is to know about everything there is to know about water chemistry and physics. How is it then that "there are new discoveries made all the time" as you say (and I agree with)?Well, yes, there are new scientific discoveries made all the time, but chemistry and more to the point the chemistry of water is pretty well defined at this point.
And the same type comments were made by scientific types about the pictures and on site descriptions and reports of long runout landslides. They physically existed but the scientists couldn't reproduce them in the lab so they said impossible. And were wrong for over a 150 years.There is do date little or no evidence to support the claims of any of the magnetic, radio frequency or zeta rod type equipment and one thing that often gets overlooked is that at normal residential velocities within the piping, none of these units, would have any chance of changing the water chemistry given the amount of energy they produce, which is laws of physics thing.
So here we are applying a test for hardness that doesn't show any change in hardness content so we deny there could be any change in the water chemistry or quality while the visual evidence is pooh pooed as someone's overactive imagination. IMO that's very closed minded and nothing more than someone's uninformed opinion.The simple reality is that when these units are tested using hard water, there is virtually no change at all in the water chemistry. saying the water feels different, or produces a fine powder, what does that mean? Minerals are minerals. They are dissolved in solution. changing the chemistry involves removing them or chemically altering them and again, none of those methods do that. Magnets, electricity and radio waves will not change the chemical properties of minerals. It violated the law of physics.
I know of them and have stated my first hand experience with two instances where I saw a change in water quality with an electronic anti-scaling device. And you're right that I don't know the product you found'n so passionately fell in love with but....Gary, it appears that you are very knowledgeable about most PWT systems with the exception of the Hydropath technology.
As to the new law in CA, it does not ban softeners. It gives local authorities the ability to pass laws to ban softeners. .
Now Santa Clarita has been doing that for years and although at first the population went along thinking it was a good idea, most now are saying it was a mistake because there is no substitute for 0 gpg soft water from a water softener. .
just exactly is a long run out landslide? I spose I could google it but my fingers are tired.