TWEAK
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I'm new here... and could use some guidance.
I am just finishing the tile floor on a on a bathroom remodel and am ready for a toilet. I had a Kohler Gabrielle (2001) and it was disappointing-- hard water stained it and it always takes two flushes. Didn't clog often, that's one good thing. I put in a softener which helped with the staining but still the flush was poor so I would rather stay away from Kohler.
Style wise, I like an elongated, one piece, skirted design. Toto "Eco Guinevere" fits that bill, as does a brand new one piece "Town Square RH" from American Standard, just released. This (part #2847.128) is a different toilet than the older two piece Town Square, which I think they still sell.
I read some comments about weak flush and wash of the double cyclone on the Eco Guinevere on another forum, but also know that Terry likes this toilet. Latest MAP test shows that the EcoGuinevere "only" handles 500 grams, which is on the low side for a high performance toilet. Plusses are, it's Toto quality, CEFIONTECT, and looks nice.
The new AS rates 1000 grams on the MAP test. It also fits the style of the room. My concern with this one is that it doesn't come with the "everclean" surface, which I assume is the AS version of CEFIONTECT? I've also heard that American Standard quality is spotty. Plusses are, great flush specs--twice that of Toto, and also looks nice.
My first question is, in reality how important is 500 grams v. 1000 grams? 500 grams is still more than one pound! But the 1000 grams of the AS must be an imprssively powerful flush. Please help me with perspective on this. Would really like not to have to flush "one more time" to take care of lingering debris. My other question is, how important is the "everclean" finish? I have soft water. I've read comments on CEFIONTECT on other forums from people that love it and people that claim it's not worth the money... wonder what the opinions is on "everclean". Again, help!
These are both expensive fixtures. I don't want to make another mistake!
Thanks for your comments!
I am just finishing the tile floor on a on a bathroom remodel and am ready for a toilet. I had a Kohler Gabrielle (2001) and it was disappointing-- hard water stained it and it always takes two flushes. Didn't clog often, that's one good thing. I put in a softener which helped with the staining but still the flush was poor so I would rather stay away from Kohler.
Style wise, I like an elongated, one piece, skirted design. Toto "Eco Guinevere" fits that bill, as does a brand new one piece "Town Square RH" from American Standard, just released. This (part #2847.128) is a different toilet than the older two piece Town Square, which I think they still sell.
I read some comments about weak flush and wash of the double cyclone on the Eco Guinevere on another forum, but also know that Terry likes this toilet. Latest MAP test shows that the EcoGuinevere "only" handles 500 grams, which is on the low side for a high performance toilet. Plusses are, it's Toto quality, CEFIONTECT, and looks nice.
The new AS rates 1000 grams on the MAP test. It also fits the style of the room. My concern with this one is that it doesn't come with the "everclean" surface, which I assume is the AS version of CEFIONTECT? I've also heard that American Standard quality is spotty. Plusses are, great flush specs--twice that of Toto, and also looks nice.
My first question is, in reality how important is 500 grams v. 1000 grams? 500 grams is still more than one pound! But the 1000 grams of the AS must be an imprssively powerful flush. Please help me with perspective on this. Would really like not to have to flush "one more time" to take care of lingering debris. My other question is, how important is the "everclean" finish? I have soft water. I've read comments on CEFIONTECT on other forums from people that love it and people that claim it's not worth the money... wonder what the opinions is on "everclean". Again, help!
These are both expensive fixtures. I don't want to make another mistake!
Thanks for your comments!