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    Default Cleaning mineral deposits from sanigloss

    I am an all Toto house. My well water is not generally nasty enough to warrant treatment. But it does have minerals (calcium, and small amounts of manganese and iron). The problem I am trying to solve is build-up on my Sanigloss bowls.

    The list from Toto of what not to use, effectively excludes every cleaner that is not pH neutral. For mineral removal, and acidic material is the usual solution (no pun intended). Bristly stick is not effective.

    Does anyone know a safe method to remove this scale?

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    I've been using the liquid bowl cleaners from the grocery store.
    The bowl downstairs, the oldest one, is shiny like the day I installed it. Clorex and Lysol
    Last edited by Terry; 01-22-2012 at 01:11 PM.

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    First off make sure the toilet gets flushed after every use. For customers who have problems or stains I use a product called "bar keepers friend" Its a white abrasive powder thats acidic. Works very well and is good for removing rust stains.

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    TOTO's specific instructions are

    No powders, and no acid.

    This is Sanagloss. Not your $80 builder special toilet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    TOTO's specific instructions are

    No powders, and no acid.

    This is Sanagloss. Not your $80 builder special toilet.
    Unless Toto will warranty it and give them a new bowl and if nothing else will clean it,I would use the bar keepers friend. Either that or pay for a replacement if you want a clean toilet without stains.

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    I really don't want to argue with you Terry (you are sort of the god of plumbing), but I am holding the sheet from a Sanigloss I just opened and it says "acid or alkaline". So it is really saying neutral pH.

    Hackney: I really would not want to violate two of the no-no's from Toto.

    The Sanigloss process is dependent on nano-scale effects. Visual evaluation of the surface for "still shiny" is just not an appropriate metric. You are looking at maybe an electron microscope to effectively evaluate surface condition.

    It would be very helpful if Toto provide a list of what can be used (generically) rather than a statement that excludes essentially all cleaning products likely to be used.

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    This should really be cut and dry. Whats the harshest chemical used to clean the sanigloss surface? I dunno but Toto should. Call'um

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    The reason they haven't provided a list of products, is there has been no guarantee that the chemicals used, will stay the same.

    If your bowl is being coated and you're happy, then I'm happy.
    My bowl is nice and shiny. I'm happy too.

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    Ok I visited the Toto website and found that you can use a mild dish detergent. I knew there had to be a simple answer. Basically if you dont keep the sanagloss surface clean from the start and let things build up on the surface you cant use a strong cleaner.......so if a mild detergent will not clean it the surface may be ruined.

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    Experimentally, a detergent is ineffective for mineral deposits. Maybe I am not trying hard enough. But I have not been successful.

    Note that the statement from Toto indicates neutral pH. Yes they mention a mild dish detergent. But that pH statement eliminates most such materials. That is essentially unreasonable; but it is what they say. An effective (i.e. not cya) answer to this issue would be useful. And a mild detergent just does not seem to fix mineral deposits.

    As I have mentioned in another post, looking shiny is not an effective measurement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alternety View Post
    Experimentally, a detergent is ineffective for mineral deposits. Maybe I am not trying hard enough. But I have not been successful.

    Note that the statement from Toto indicates neutral pH. Yes they mention a mild dish detergent. But that pH statement eliminates most such materials. That is essentially unreasonable; but it is what they say. An effective (i.e. not cya) answer to this issue would be useful. And a mild detergent just does not seem to fix mineral deposits.

    As I have mentioned in another post, looking shiny is not an effective measurement.
    Yes and it also eliminates urinating in the toilet as urine is acidic.

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    That is indeed true. Even the water provided in your house violates the specified requirements for cleaning the toilet. Sense anything wrong here? Toto needs to provide better guidance. One of my points (not necessarily obvious) is that the info from Toto is mostly useless CYA statements. They are simply telling us to not use anything (even distilled water I think) , without explaining what we can use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alternety View Post
    That is indeed true. Even the water provided in your house violates the specified requirements for cleaning the toilet. Sense anything wrong here? Toto needs to provide better guidance. One of my points (not necessarily obvious) is that the info from Toto is mostly useless CYA statements. They are simply telling us to not use anything (even distilled water I think) , without explaining what we can use.
    I wouldn't worry too much about damaging a surface thats not working for you. I'd get it clean and if I ruined it,I'd buy a regular toilet without any special finish and clean it regular with clorox cleanup.

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    Thanks, but that does not really address the issue. Your suggestion, in my opinion, is not useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alternety View Post
    Thanks, but that does not really address the issue. Your suggestion, in my opinion, is not useful.
    So what do you suggest we do? You have said yourself Toto will not approve of any cleaners. Your toilet has mineral deposits So its either disregard Totos instructions or live with a mineral stained toilet.
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