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    When a rocket goes bad a few people get killed or hurt. When you cross connect sewage with potable water or chemical waste with potable water, entire cities get killed or sick. Hey, next to hookers we are the oldest "profession"
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    Wow, without a license plumbers don't know how to do that?

    As you know I have never had a plumber's license so... I suppose their instructional pictures are on the back of the license?
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    A question of that caliber is really hard to respond to. I suppose licensing electricians is not necessary as well? Construction codes? Building codes? Fire safety? All of these work together so we dont have buildings collapse, fire suppression systems that dont function when needed, safe water, etc. I really do not see a need to go this direction other than to troll. Lets try to help out the OP and not drag this into the gutter.

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    In the beginning the idea was to license plumbers because of the apprentice system of training. In that system the abilities and responsibilities are broken down by time and experience, at least ideally it is but as we all know, anytime governmental types and groups of special interest folks get involved the whole thing begins to rot. Kind of like oru present government. Still, there are any number of trades and professions that require licensing and with all trades and professions there will be competent and skilled ones and those that slide in under the wire or maybe even pay their way to a license. I can't help that and I'll freely admit that the process is flawed and in fact I have been fighting with the state plumbing board for 10 years now to change the process. As you know, government moves slowly unless there is a direct benefit to those in charge. In the end though, I ask myself if I knew nothing about plumbing would I want someone with a license in my house or not?

    So I take it the fishing was good yes ? LOL Would have been a whole lot easier to just come out and ask though. I would have told you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Slusser View Post
    The best is to get the correct size based on your peak demand flow rate. And using water treatment gravel from an online or local dealer than playing around with gravel from somewhere else.
    Isn't it a requirement that insurance agents have a licence? Now why would that be?

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    Yes there is and the reason is as ridiculous as the reason for a plumber's license. Or private pilot's license. Or driver's license. There used to be a license required if you owned/operated a CB radio too. Still is for HAM radio. There are hunting and gun licenses too.

    The reason is an ever increasing in size and scope, tax'n spend, freedom reducing anti business lying democrat controlled government using consumer/public safety as the cause for their licenses and regulations.
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    So I take it Obama will not be able to count on you for your vote LOL
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    Your behavior on this forum is deplorable and not fitting a moderator. You take almost every thread here into the gutter with your off-topic rants and antics.

    It's too bad Terry is more interested in the ad-click revenue from traffic following your antics than serving the needs of people coming to this forum looking for help.

    If anyone wants to start a petition to unseat Gary as the moderator, you have my vote.

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    He hasn't been a moderator for quite awhile now. I'd hate to see him go. He makes me laugh.

    Airline pilots have to be licensed. I think that's probably a good thing. Not that someone couldn't have those skills without having a license but how do you keep track of their experience otherwise? Maybe we should get rid of drivers licensed too. Lord knows there are thousands of folks out there driving with licenses that haven't a clue. Anarchy is the way LOL

    Rather than complaining though, how about coming up with a viable solution to the problem. One that gets the government off our backs and yet still keeps innocent folks from getting hurt, killed or robbed blind.

    BTW, this has got to hold the record for the furthest thread drift in the history of forums LOL

    Just a reminder though Gravel under bedding was the original topic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post
    He hasn't been a moderator for quite awhile now. I'd hate to see him go.
    Are you talking figuratively? Who is moderating this forum?

    I'm not trying to ban him from the site. Maybe Terry could setup a Gary's Corner forum where his rants and antics would be acceptable. I just want this forum to have some modicum of decency and professionalism and not have every thread dragged into the gutter regardless of how entertaining it may be for you.

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    I guess Terry is moderating it. We do tend to go off on tangents though no doubt. Still, it's been a lot more civil around here lately than in the past. I guess we're just used to it by now.
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    At least the petty veiled theats and disclosing of private information has stopped, and now that he cant go into threads and change them and delete items he disagrees with... regardless, the number of people that read through a few posts looking for an answer prior to asking and wont post because of ridiculous trolling and petty gutter work that is always done when someone starts putting in their 2 cents must be staggering. Look at threads that some were not commented on by... and notice how simple, clean, and to the point they are? A disagreement on technique, a difference of opinion, a different way of accomplishing the goal maybe, but the ridculous rants, trolling, and passive aggressive behavior just doesnt occur. It is the same on almost any other site, wether it be water, well, or whatever.

    I agree, gravel underbedding is a good practice, while not totally necessary, and the vortech tank is a good design, though more difficult to service in the future and a little more expensive up front.

    3 pages for a question on gravel??? With a side rant of anti-government thrown in for good measure. All government licensing is bad, all government is bad??? Sigh, I am very conservative, very republican, but even so, I can understand the need for "limited" government. Then again, this particular rant is coming from an unlicensed person who lives in parking lots.

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    Yo guys... the thread is just two weeks short of 3 yrs old! And was resurrected with one recent post about the original subject by an other than the original poster. And then my good buddy Tommy derailed the thing in post #14...

    Well that's if you don't include 20tons' truck loads of gravel a month etc. etc. but...

    I see I have not said one word, until now and in response, about anyone here and yet I see 3-4 guys running me into the ground personally... while whining because they are a bit too sensitive, or feminized, I guess... or following an agenda. I go with the latter although all three seem to be true. Oneof'em is from outside of the US.

    I also notice I'm the only non anonymous one here.

    Anyway, Tommy I won't be voting for any RINOs either. And I'm thinkin' ya oughta get rid of the piper cub thingy, save the license renewal money for it and all them plumber licenses you've got and get yerself a few more beans, bullets'n bandaids; ya know, just in case.

    Which reminds me... you might want a bit of rice, flour, sugar, etc. and a means to boil water to make potable water without being 'plugged in', like in a parking lot or some such.
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    I'm not really sure how my agreeing with you in post #14 derailed the thread and for the life of me what is the 20 tons truck loads of gravel a month about? Are you back on the bottle again cause that just makes no sense whatsoever. Now as for buying beans and rice, that's a good strategy for some but that means that you have to spend all your time defending your castle. It's gonna be a 24 hour a day job, 365 days a year. Better to be the looter. At least you get a few days off to rest in between raids. LOL As for licensing the piper, if I lived in a more secluded area I'd probably consider it but I'm only about 5 miles from the nearest MOA to the north and I have Pease AFB, Manchester and Logan airspace to the south. Not registering would probably cost me way way more. BTW, it's not a cub, its a 1939 Stinson HW75. One of only a half dozen left in the world at last count.
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    Ah, creeping right along... an HW75? A real oldie but goodie. I owned a 2nd cousin twice removed, an L-4, for a while until Hurricane Andrew trashed it. And of course Stinson ultimately became part of Piper, so we were part of the same big aircraft family. Do you fly on skis during the Maine winter?

    I admit the thread creep and mild rants really don't bother me much, and actually (to me) add something to the social karma of the forum. I'm not crazy about the personal attacks, but every long-lived forum I participate in has them, so I've learned to tune them out. One forum did have a specific almost-no-holds-barred area called "The Cage", to which offensive posts were moved, and some posters restricted (a "time-out") until they agreed to play nicely. It was a pretty entertaining area to visit.

    Back to gravel, I found 2 bags of store-bought gravel in my shed as I prepare to overhaul my system. One looks like Florida Chatahoochee stone: rounded, mixed shades of brown; the other is sharp-edged, uniform and white. I guess the ideal underbedding wound be perfectly round, uniform, fairly heavy, and inert -- like gold beads. I see garnet is available -- is that special in some way? I found a 10" diameter mixing bowl in a garage sale for $0.25 a while back which is perfect for measuring out the right amount of gravel to fill the bottom dome of my tanks.

    Finally, most folks say to use "1/8in - 1/4in" gravel. I wondered exactly what that meant. (Yes, I do have too much time on my hands.) My first guess was the individual pieces of gravel were between 1/8" and 1/4" in some dimension or other, but that didn't seem very scientific, and measuring a bucket load of gravel would be tedious (although, believe it or not, they use lasers and digital imaging to do just that these days). But Googling eventually led me to "Sieve Analysis", which is probably what's really going on. (This is a Civil Engineering discipline. As an EE, I find it suspect from the get-go.) If so, the 1/8" - 1/4" size means that if you've got a bucket of gravel, and sift it through a 1/4" screen, and then sift the result through a 1/8" screen, you will be left with "1/4in - 1/8in" gravel on the top of the 1/8" screen, and can throw everything else away.

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