jacobse
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I'm ready to buy two new toilets, but I keep getting confused at every turn with Toto. I hope I can get help with a few questions...
I found the Gwyneth referenced on the forum, and when I Google it and look at it on sites which have it for sale, it seems to have most of the features I thought I wanted: ADA height, elongated, one piece sleek design (I'd prefer skirted, but this design is fine with me), CEFIONTECT. It has a Double Cyclone flush (more on that in a second). Seems good -- except I can't find it on the Toto site at all. Has it been discontinued? It looks very similar to the UltraMax II, which I saw in a showroom and see on the Toto site -- did Toto rename the Gwyneth to become the UltraMax II, or are these two different models?
Today, I just found the Carlyle II on the Toto web site. I guess I had previously overlooked this because I was focusing on 1.6 gallon flush models, and this is another 1.28 gallon Double Cyclone model. It has the ADA high, elongated, one piece design, skirted (yea!), but no CEFIONTECT. Is losing CEFIONTECT to get the skirted look I prefer a bad tradeoff, if I go with one of these 1.28 gallon models?
The flushing systems are my other source of confusion. Yesterday I visited two bath showrooms to see the different Toto models in person, which was helpful -- but I got conflicting information. At one place, the salesperson told me the Double Cyclone flushing system, as found on the UltraMax II, was Toto's best. I figured, okay, G-Max has probably been out there longer, so this is their new, improved system. Until I went to the second showroom, where the salesperson told me that she thought the G-Max was the best flushing toilet made. Arrrgghh! So is G-Max better, in part because it uses 1.6 gallons per flush, while Double Cyclone is how they got down to 1.28 gallons? Or is the Double Cyclone an improvement on G-Max because it washes the bowl better?
Thanks in advance for any help and advice!
I found the Gwyneth referenced on the forum, and when I Google it and look at it on sites which have it for sale, it seems to have most of the features I thought I wanted: ADA height, elongated, one piece sleek design (I'd prefer skirted, but this design is fine with me), CEFIONTECT. It has a Double Cyclone flush (more on that in a second). Seems good -- except I can't find it on the Toto site at all. Has it been discontinued? It looks very similar to the UltraMax II, which I saw in a showroom and see on the Toto site -- did Toto rename the Gwyneth to become the UltraMax II, or are these two different models?
Today, I just found the Carlyle II on the Toto web site. I guess I had previously overlooked this because I was focusing on 1.6 gallon flush models, and this is another 1.28 gallon Double Cyclone model. It has the ADA high, elongated, one piece design, skirted (yea!), but no CEFIONTECT. Is losing CEFIONTECT to get the skirted look I prefer a bad tradeoff, if I go with one of these 1.28 gallon models?
The flushing systems are my other source of confusion. Yesterday I visited two bath showrooms to see the different Toto models in person, which was helpful -- but I got conflicting information. At one place, the salesperson told me the Double Cyclone flushing system, as found on the UltraMax II, was Toto's best. I figured, okay, G-Max has probably been out there longer, so this is their new, improved system. Until I went to the second showroom, where the salesperson told me that she thought the G-Max was the best flushing toilet made. Arrrgghh! So is G-Max better, in part because it uses 1.6 gallons per flush, while Double Cyclone is how they got down to 1.28 gallons? Or is the Double Cyclone an improvement on G-Max because it washes the bowl better?
Thanks in advance for any help and advice!
Originally, TOTO had a one-piece and a two-piece Gwyneth
These are now:
MS604114CEFG, Ultramax II
CST454CEFG, Drake II
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