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UPDATED, need another consultation: Toilet woes; what to do?
Ok, I am impressed with the expertise here, I think I might good answers so here goes.
I have a 2 story house built in 1981. There are 4 bathrooms in the house. a 4 piece and a 2 piece ensuite on the 2nd floor, a 2 piece on the main floor, and a 3 piece in the basement. The basement toilet is a 6L Lamosa Sahara, all the others are 13L Cranes. All 4 came with the house when I bought it 3 years ago. All 4 have pretty old and ratty mechanicals in the tanks.
The flush power of any of the toilets has not ever been great. The basement and main floor units get the most traffic, and plungings of the basement are regularly required, and it overflows sometimes. The upstairs main bathroom toilet is always slow, and fills up to the rim before slowly going down. It does however have lots of swirl. After repeated plunging, it will speed up, and sometimes will actually flush normal for a few days. The one in the ensuite always goes down, but its pretty lethargic and not much swirl.
The water here is pretty hard, and the previous owner didn't have a softener. I had one installed when I moved in.
There are no drainage problems with the basement shower (next to and on the same drain line as the toilet), the bathtub in the second floor main b/r, the shower in the ensuite, or the dishwasher or clothes washer on the main floor. The clothes washer is in the next room to the main floor toilet, and on the same drain, which you can see from the basement.
Sounds like plugged drains, right? That's what i figured, so I had a local plumber remove the toilets and snake the toilet drains for me. I asked about a plugged vent, but he said that if the vent was plugged, the bathtub would not drain so fast and the clothes washer would back up.
The snaking did improve things a bit, but it didn't last. The 2 upstairs toilets make occasional burp noises when flushed, and it seems to me that when the main bathroom one is flushing well, the ensuite fushes better. The ensuite will still flush when the main is at its worst.
I was thinking to try replacing all the in-tank mechanicals, anything to make this stop. I then thought to replace the toilets, as it will cut my water use a lot and I can get a $50 rebate from the government.
What do you all think? Will new toilets help, or am I missing some other core problem that is the real cause of my grief? Any other suggestions?
In reading your forum, I see you like Toto's, but 3 or 4 of them is out of my budget. I was going to compromise on A/S Cadet 3s.
Help?!?
Ian Winsor
Milton, Ontario, Canada
Ok, I am impressed with the expertise here, I think I might good answers so here goes.
I have a 2 story house built in 1981. There are 4 bathrooms in the house. a 4 piece and a 2 piece ensuite on the 2nd floor, a 2 piece on the main floor, and a 3 piece in the basement. The basement toilet is a 6L Lamosa Sahara, all the others are 13L Cranes. All 4 came with the house when I bought it 3 years ago. All 4 have pretty old and ratty mechanicals in the tanks.
The flush power of any of the toilets has not ever been great. The basement and main floor units get the most traffic, and plungings of the basement are regularly required, and it overflows sometimes. The upstairs main bathroom toilet is always slow, and fills up to the rim before slowly going down. It does however have lots of swirl. After repeated plunging, it will speed up, and sometimes will actually flush normal for a few days. The one in the ensuite always goes down, but its pretty lethargic and not much swirl.
The water here is pretty hard, and the previous owner didn't have a softener. I had one installed when I moved in.
There are no drainage problems with the basement shower (next to and on the same drain line as the toilet), the bathtub in the second floor main b/r, the shower in the ensuite, or the dishwasher or clothes washer on the main floor. The clothes washer is in the next room to the main floor toilet, and on the same drain, which you can see from the basement.
Sounds like plugged drains, right? That's what i figured, so I had a local plumber remove the toilets and snake the toilet drains for me. I asked about a plugged vent, but he said that if the vent was plugged, the bathtub would not drain so fast and the clothes washer would back up.
The snaking did improve things a bit, but it didn't last. The 2 upstairs toilets make occasional burp noises when flushed, and it seems to me that when the main bathroom one is flushing well, the ensuite fushes better. The ensuite will still flush when the main is at its worst.
I was thinking to try replacing all the in-tank mechanicals, anything to make this stop. I then thought to replace the toilets, as it will cut my water use a lot and I can get a $50 rebate from the government.
What do you all think? Will new toilets help, or am I missing some other core problem that is the real cause of my grief? Any other suggestions?
In reading your forum, I see you like Toto's, but 3 or 4 of them is out of my budget. I was going to compromise on A/S Cadet 3s.
Help?!?
Ian Winsor
Milton, Ontario, Canada
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