lol, nope, trick question. no black wire. chassis is metal and hanging bracket is metal, must be grounded. don't you have those dangly straps hanging from the back of your truck to ground it? lightning strips? lol
Just for the fun of it I am going to go outside and drive a rod at the front of my truck and connect the positive post to the rod. Maybe I will have a dead battery in the morning and I can call triple A.
If you knew me more completely, you would not say that. However, I do not fault you for not knowing any better. I was baffled for a bit by the voltage readings I was getting just before I found the shorted black wire, but at no point was I ever truly in any great danger ... and all of the hoopla that has been going on here is simply because of certain word choices made during the discussion of the protection I had received while that wire was shorted. When some people cannot dazzle others with brilliance, they just try to baffle them with bullcrap ... and I was not buying it!... I think you are out of your element here, not expert enough, and risking your life.
So even with DC, a separate "ground" is occasionally needed even up in the air whether sitting on rubber tires or on rafters ...
... and no, I do not have to be concerned about lightning and that antenna since lightning comes out of the ground (or so I have heard) and that antenna is not bonded to earth.
No, I was just showing it needs to be spoken/heard within a given context in order to be understood at all -- much of this entire thread is about that -- and you would do well to stop talking about me altogether since I am not the subject of any thread here in this forum anyway!Here in lies the area of your misunderstanding. You are using the word “ground” out of text ...
My point was only that is has one, and that the word/term "ground" needs to be understood properly in order to understand that.The ground plane of an antenna for your CB has nothing to do with earth or even the chassis of the equipment.
Not for that particular antenna. I actually even tried adding a spider-leg-looking ground-plane booster there, but that only made matters worse because my actual ground plane is so small. However, bonding/grounding/continuity-connecting that dish to the radio chassis after the booster had been removed did help a bit.The ground plane for the antenna can even be the roof of the house ...
I am aware of the connection requirement, and I also remember the day people stopped placing lightning rods on houses because they seemed to be *attracting* lightning (such as when our own house caught fire in the '50s and my dad took those lightening rods back down the next day). Hence, I just leave it to the many overhanging trees around this house and the tall pines directly behind it to deal with the matter of lightening.The mobile antenna you have on your roof is required by the NEC to be connected to your grounding electrode system in case lightning strikes ...
Here you are Implying that the ground rod gave you some sort of protection which is a false statement and then go on to make reference that the antenna is not “bonded†to earth instead of using the correct words which are, “the antenna is not grounded.â€of the protection I had received while that wire was shorted....................... and that antenna is not bonded to earth.
No, I was just showing it needs to be spoken/heard within a given context in order to be understood at all -- much of this entire thread is about that -- and you would do well to stop talking about me altogether since I am not the subject of any thread here in this forum anyway!
My point was only that is has one, and that the word/term "ground" needs to be understood properly in order to understand that.
Not for that particular antenna. I actually even tried adding a spider-leg-looking ground-plane booster there, but that only made matters worse because my actual ground plane is so small. However, bonding/grounding/continuity-connecting that dish to the radio chassis after the booster had been removed did help a bit.
I am aware of the connection requirement, and I also remember the day people stopped placing lightning rods on houses because they seemed to be *attracting* lightning (such as when our own house caught fire in the '50s and my dad took those lightening rods back down the next day). Hence, I just leave it to the many overhanging trees around this house and the tall pines directly behind it to deal with the matter of lightening.
Then please tell me where that shorted current went! Even your own statements here eventually said/implied/acknowledged ground rods delivering current to other ground rods such as the ones under transformers. If the current from that shorted leg in my workshop did not find that kind of path, then please tell me where it went! To say or to imply there was no flow at all is utterly ridiculous since there was no power available anywhere in that sorted circuit and I only felt a small tingle when I touched the panel. If you really want to find fault and bust somebody, then address the matter of the wrong assumption made about my EMT in the first response in this thread and the potentially-deadly suggestion my panel should therefore not be bonded. I have no complaint at all about the understandable error that had been made in that particular post, but I am alive today and able to be here interacting with you and others because the shorted current in my non-bonded panel found its way through some kind of "ground" of whatever definition and then back to a transformer or whatever else somewhere rather than through only me and on into the concrete floor and wherever it might have gone from there. Anyone who reads this thread carefully and thoroughly will see you ultimately confirmed what I had suspected had protected me from possibly-great harm, but it matters not to me whether you ever acknowledge that yourself.It is you Lee that I am talking to and your misunderstanding of ground is the subject to which I am addressing.
You repeatedly keep saying that you understand but in the same breath make the statements like this one;
Here you are Implying that the ground rod gave you some sort of protection which is a false statement ...of the protection I had received while that wire was shorted....................... and that antenna is not bonded to earth.
You are correct in your understanding of AS/HFA (High-Functioning Autism), at least as in my own case, and I actually often have to be careful in this kind of written venue since I am very literal-minded where other people are not always so.Lee, you said early on in this this thread that you have Aspergers syndrome. What I have read about that is that most people who have it are very intelligent, but just lack some social skills and are unable to "interpret" facial expressions or intonations in spoken words. But this venue is all in writing ...
No, nobody is more concerned about that than I am. However, we do not all have the same approach to the matter.I don't think it is anybody's intention here to imply that you are anything less than intelligent, just unwilling to accept your mortality. People HAVE died from ground faults. We are more concerned for your safety than you seem to be.
There is nothing that needs to be fixed! When the electrician was here a few weeks ago to take a look at what we need him to do at our service entrance, he saw only two wires connected in the feed going back to the workshop and he asked me what was the deal there. I explained how that had been done many years ago, and he was pleased to know I would get that matter corrected before he came back to do the service-entrance update ...Get the licensed electrician in to make it right ...
Then please tell me where that shorted current went!
Only thing Im getting here is the importance of wearing shoes when working. Especially on power. How many panels did JW troubleshoot barefoot and wearing a bathrobe?
No, I am only asking a question: Where did the current go?Lee, you are arguing ...
I had something like that happen yesterday, I believe. I was cleaning some junk from the attic in order to clear the way for the electrician when he comes, and I saw a clipped-and-taped end of a piece of old Romex hanging out of a box with no cover and laying loose up there ... and I decided to remove it and cover the box. Looking more closely, however, I also noticed another piece of old Romex connected to that wire inside the box and then running out and going down into a wall where an old mechanical timer is mounted, and I decided to remove all of that wire since that timer is obviously no longer in use or needed. After removing the cover from the timer, I checked for voltage before getting near any connections, and I saw something like 36 volts across the terminals in the timer ... and that means there must have been a very small "leak" at that clipped-and-taped end of the piece of old Romex hanging out of a box and laying loose in the attic ...While DMMs are nice tools, they can give some hard to understand readings because they have such high input impedances...you can get some significant voltage readings in places you wouldn't expect them but have little ability to actually flow any current.
No, I am only asking a question: Where did the current go?
A circuit's black wire was shorted to the panel, and that left that circuit showing no current available and I only felt a small tingle when I touched the panel. So, where was the remainder of that current going?
The ground rod is primarily for protection during lightening strikes...don't count on it for an effective ground ...
... asking a question: Where did the current go?
Please stop talking about me. I am trying to learn something useful here!I do believe that you have no understanding of current flow at all ...
Not true. That breaker would only see 50A as its maximum, and it would not care at all whether that amount of current ever went anywhere.... Using you thinking the 50 amp breaker for the welder that was only drawing 30 amps must be letting the other 20 amps leak out somewhere.
This is awkward, but...
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