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Ian Gills
08-31-2011, 06:18 PM
England is a free country so you can fill a truck with beer in one part of the country and haul it to another, no questions asked.

Can you do the same in America?

I mean, would you be allowed to haul Coors beer from Texarkana, Texas to Georgia for your refreshment? Or would you need a "blocker" car to deflect attention away from the truck and its cargo?

BobL43
08-31-2011, 06:59 PM
England is a free country so you can fill a truck with beer in one part of the country and haul it to another, no questions asked.

Can you do the same in America?

I mean, would you be allowed to haul Coors beer from Texarkana, Texas to Georgia for your refreshment? Or would you need a "blocker" car to deflect attention away from the truck and its cargo?
England's only a little spot on the map and a few hours to cross. The example you gave is bigger than England, but it involves interstate transport. Why would you want to transport a Colorado mass produced beer from TX to Ga? You can buy it in Georgia. Its all about taxes anyway, so as long as you pay the proper taxes, its OK, You're all for paying more taxes anyway, so what is the problem. there are many micto breweries anyway to buy good local beer. what're you trying to say Ian? You're normally very clear as to what you hate here.

Terry
08-31-2011, 08:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH5KNcFRZLQ

Have you been watching Smokey and the Bandit again?

It's like Bob says, as long as the proper taxes are paid, you're okay.

Ian Gills
09-01-2011, 06:34 AM
It's very confusing. Do you have to do that with all goods?

And do you have to pay them before or after?

I think the Bandit approach is best.

All these different State rules are silly.

BobL43
09-01-2011, 07:00 AM
It's very confusing. Do you have to do that with all goods?

And do you have to pay them before or after?

I think the Bandit approach is best.

All these different State rules are silly.

'Tis what it is, and the taxes are built into the price. beer and booze would be very cheap without the alcohol tax. But Likker is quicker. Our government at your service again. prohibition did not work, so theuy figure they'd might as wll make a buck (lots of them) on it.
Duty free prices are good, but the limits are pretty low (one or 2 bottles of booze) on a cruise ship or furrin' country. You can bring more in, but Customs agents make you pay the taxes on it. and not just here either. You can buy cigarettes at an Indian reservation here, cheap, no taxes. Any Indian reservations in England? Oh, wrong Indians.

BobL43
09-01-2011, 07:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH5KNcFRZLQ

Have you been watching Smokey and the Bandit again?

It's like Bob says, as long as the proper taxes are paid, you're okay.

How appropriate Terry. I think Ian must have got inspiration for that post after watching the movie on cable during the hurricane while manning his sump pump.

LOTW
09-01-2011, 07:18 AM
England is a free country so you can fill a truck with beer in one part of the country and haul it to another, no questions asked.

Can you do the same in America?

I mean, would you be allowed to haul Coors beer from Texarkana, Texas to Georgia for your refreshment? Or would you need a "blocker" car to deflect attention away from the truck and its cargo?

I truly hate to admit it but Ian may have a point. And not on his head. What about firecrackers? Why can I buy them in Missouri and Wisconsin but not in Iowa. The Supreme Court should recognize that all Americans have a constitutional right to make load noise with gunpowder. It is part of our heritage.

BobL43
09-01-2011, 07:27 AM
I truly hate to admit it but Ian may have a point. And not on his head. What about firecrackers? Why can I buy them in Missouri and Wisconsin but not in Iowa. The Supreme Court should recognize that all Americans have a constitutional right to make load noise with gunpowder. It is part of our heritage.

I guess some states are more concerned than others about personal injuries. Even though fireworks are illegal in NY state for personal use, there are quite a few very serious injuries every year from them. Some are from sheer stupidity, and some from defective fireworks. there are many public firework displays. Cone Domes may be hidden by a hat. Anyway, YEE HA! watch out for gone astray helicopter fireworks.

Cookie
09-01-2011, 07:45 AM
It is all about taxes. There is a little place in Tuscaloosa, Al, off of McFarland Blvd, which is called Archibalds. It is rib joint, the best darn place in the USA. They smoke their meats, only pork, and make their own sauce. It is terrific! I offered them mucho bucks for their sauce recipe one day, (a mom & pop place) with the promise I would never divulge it or sell it but, they wouldn't go for it. When we moved, I wanted to get my husband a gallon jug of it, and called them and due to state taxes they couldn't send it.

All about taxes. And, you want more of them?

I just want Archibald's sauce. :)


It's very confusing. Do you have to do that with all goods?

And do you have to pay them before or after?

I think the Bandit approach is best.

All these different State rules are silly.

Terry
09-01-2011, 07:49 AM
One of the neighbors across the street from me lost the ends of his fingertips this year on the 4th.
He was in the hospital about three weeks.

But they do make a nice loud bang. The 4th of July around here gets pretty smoky.

BobL43
09-01-2011, 08:12 AM
One of the neighbors across the street from me lost the ends of his fingertips this year on the 4th.
He was in the hospital about three weeks.

But they do make a nice loud bang. The 4th of July around here gets pretty smoky.Not to say messy. fireworks (Roman Candles and other rockets) leave there litter all over the street, even from around the block. I pick it all up in front of my house, but the guys who do it, leave all the junk even in front of their own houses in the streets. This past 4th, a couple of guys lost their hands. This link is from last year, and made CNN.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-07-04/us/new.york.fireworks.arm.loss_1_fireworks-related-injury-metal-or-glass-containers-lighting?_s=PM:US

Every year, lots of folks from year drive down to North Carolina to bring back tons of fireworks; some get caught, but most do not. I enjoy watching public fireworks displays, but one time one of my neighbor's private fireworks party had his cheap crap go astray. since then, I shy away from private fireworks. Once burned, twice shy. No, it did not make me stronger like the saying goes.;)

Ian Gills
09-01-2011, 08:17 AM
I think fireworks should be banned, except official displays, because the kids get hurt.

England allows them and it's the same pictures every year....kids with burnt fingers.

But hauling moonshine across State lines should not be a crime.

Homebrew is a right, not a priviledge.

I'm tempted to do a Smokey and the Bandit. But I don't know where to get moonshine from and I would not know where to haul it to.

I guess a dry State would be a good destination. One with lots of churches. You would need a customer.

http://www.actionfigureuniverse.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Planet-of-the-Apes/Big-and-Little-Enos.jpg

But where to buy to load the semi?

And what blocker car to use?

Talking of CB radios (well, not really) I was quite impressed by the Americans that still use these. The other day I pulled next to this Ford truck with a guy using one. I had my radio on but his signal was so strong that my radio lost reception and all I could hear was his CB conversation on my car radio!

Who makes moonshine? Is it rednecks or hillbillies? And what is a redneck? And what is a hillbilly?

And where do these people live? Long Island?

BobL43
09-01-2011, 08:31 AM
I think fireworks should be banned because the kids get hurt.

But hauling moonshine across State lines should not be a crime.

Homebrew is a right, not a priviledge.

I'm tempted to do a Smokey and the Bandit. But I don't know where to get moonshine from and I would not know where to haul it to.

I guess a dry State would be a good destination. One with lots of churches.

But where to buy to load the semi?

And what blocker car to use?

Talking of CB radios (well, not really) I was quite impressed by the Americans that still use these. The other day I pulled next to this Ford truck with a guy using one. I had my radio on but his signal was so strong that my radio lost reception and all I could hear was his CB conversation on my car radio!

Who makes moonshine? Is red necks or hillbillies? And what is a red neck? And what is a hill billy?

Roger Dodger Ian.

Making things ilegal does not stop them. Making guns illegal altogether will mean that only criminals would have them.

Smoking has been proven to cause cancer, yet people still smoke like chimneys, while they are illegally texting and driving DUI.
Taxes on cigarettes have been raised to cause the price to go from what used to be below a buck a pack to over 11 dollars a pack. people still buy them.
For that, they need to have their health insurance policies revoked; actually that is being worked on.

You are allowed to make your own homebrew beer and wine for your own consumption. Drink Hearty.
I agree that kids should be protected somehow from fireworks. Maybe having child protective services take them away from their abusive parents?
Does that sound reasonable Ian? maybe they can be sent to England to be properly raised there.CB's are cool and safer than texting, but not too private. Here is the code list should you decide to install a CB in your big rig hauling moonshine from the redneck hillbillies. And here is a very good car to use, especially if you get her to ride shotgun. With your shirt, you should be able to convince her.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=10-4
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.nfscars.net/forum/picture.php%3Falbumid%3D201%26pictureid%3D16487&imgrefurl=http://www.nfscars.net/forum/album.php%3Falbumid%3D201%26pictureid%3D16487&h=1024&w=1280&sz=294&tbnid=lPhoVSpmE3jEsM:&tbnh=97&tbnw=121&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddukes%2Bof%2Bhazzard%2Bcar%26tbm%3Dis ch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=dukes+of+hazzard+car&docid=8Zo-mVXwmfQCBM&sa=X&ei=FqdfTrjwMqb10gHCmcjYAg&ved=0CEwQ9QEwAw&dur=1922

Being somewhat of a city boy myself, I'm not sure what the difference is between a hillbilly or a redneck, so I looked it up for the both of us for our edification:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck
Seems they are both related. possibly by incest. Apologies to my redneck hillbilly friends.

The semi you can work out with a driver at a truck stop; just offer him some porridge and bangers to lend you his truck

LOTW
09-01-2011, 08:33 AM
Terry/Bob L: So why should Missourians and Wisconsites be free to blow off fingers and make a mess while others are denied the same right? Ian is advocating for a national consensus on this and it pains me to say that I might agree.

Ian, instead of a semi I suggest starting with a load of booze on your F-150. And make sure that you use copper pipes to make it, not lead. I wonder if anyone has ever tried pex and sharkbites for this application?

Terry
09-01-2011, 08:41 AM
I think the rules should be consistent. However, I can see that out in the country it can be looser and nobody cares.
On the farm, we used to shoot our guns and there wasn't anyone around to even hear it.
We had explosives that would blow up a five foot rock. I almost pushed the plunger on one when my dad hollered to stop. My brother was driving in with his family right by the rock we had set up to demolish.

When my dad was young, he worked with dynamite building roads up in the mountains around Levenworth and Wenatchee.

LOTW
09-01-2011, 08:43 AM
I agree that kids should be protected somehow from fireworks. Maybe having child protective services take them away from their abusive parents?
Does that sound reasonable Ian? maybe they can be sent to England to be properly raised there.

Forty plus years ago my father bought me a .22 caliber rifle for my eighth birthday present. And taught me to use it safely. Please do not make me go to England as I may not be able to drive a pickup while there and would come back with an ugly shirt But if I did that today with my eight year old I probably would be prosecuted.

Cookie
09-01-2011, 08:52 AM
Ian, you just want to ban most anything! I agree their are dangers in fireworks, but also, is walking with a fork in your hand. Using commonsense goes a long long way. Your moonshine could cause kids to drive drunk when they get their hands on it.

What do you do for fun? their is nothing left.

BobL43
09-01-2011, 09:01 AM
Forty plus years ago my father bought me a .22 caliber rifle for my eighth birthday present. And taught me to use it safely. Please do not make me go to England as I may not be able to drive a pickup while there and would come back with an ugly shirt But if I did that today with my eight year old I probably would be prosecuted. Worse than an ugly shirt, you might come back with an ugly girl. No, wait there are some decent looking birds over there.

BobL43
09-01-2011, 09:09 AM
Terry/Bob L: So why should Missourians and Wisconsites be free to blow off fingers and make a mess while others are denied the same right? Ian is advocating for a national consensus on this and it pains me to say that I might agree.

Ian, instead of a semi I suggest starting with a load of booze on your F-150. And make sure that you use copper pipes to make it, not lead. I wonder if anyone has ever tried pex and sharkbites for this application?

Pex Would ad that bisphenolA taste, and not do a good job of heat transfer. I think Ian should do it the old fashioned way with a car radiator. In the mid 70's, I actually had an experimental distillers licence from the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. BATF. could not remember the acronym til I wrote it out. Got all enthused and built a 6GPH Ethanol still, but then it was revealed that the shortage of petroleum was a farce.

Terry
09-01-2011, 09:13 AM
I was watching a show about making moonshine. They used copper fittings.

BobL43
09-01-2011, 09:45 AM
I was watching a show about making moonshine. They used copper fittings.

with lead free solder I hope, or brazed fittings? I have a 5 lb spool of food grade solder that can solder stainless steel made by Eutectic. Fantastic stuff. I hope I don't use it all up. Well, I've had it for 30 years and still have more than 1/2 left, so I should be OK.

BobL43
09-01-2011, 10:03 AM
I can't wait untill I I get my bathroom reno done and put the fixtures in. I've gained a wealth of info from this site on plumbing issues, especially venting, and applied them to my work. I hope when I flush my new Toto toilet, drain my new tub and Toto pedestal lav the house does not implode and my cespool rise out of the ground. So I will just gain pleasure here from Ian's corner and help out some electrical issues where I can.

Ian Gills
09-01-2011, 11:59 AM
Great to know I can brew my own beer and wine here for own consumption.

What, then, is the Great American reasoning for not allowing me to brew my own hard liquor?

As for fireworks, it's just a common sense issue like with guns. They should not be allowed.

You guys get all funny about DIYers installing water heaters and electrical panels and then fight for the right for people to blow themselves (and others) to bits with fireworks and guns.

That is messed up. You can't pick and choose with freedom.

Terry
09-01-2011, 12:10 PM
You're thinking too much.
I talked to a trauma nurse the other day, she said it was real busy on the 4th.
We know it. It's dangerous. I personally have gotten over blowing things up, but it took some time to get that out of my system.
So yes I know we do the crazy stuff on new years and on the 4th. Frankly, it's hard to get much sleep on those days, and I do worry about the wood shakes on my home. The neighbor used to light his stuff in the front yard and aim it at my house. And yes, me and the neighbors get along great. It's only one day a year. It's nice to have a few guys near my age that I get to talk and we have some kids that are common age. I did feel bad when his son got hurt though. But sometimes you just have to let boys be boys. We take chances all the time in this life. If we don't, we have regrets. Living with regret isn't so great either. Ian, you need to get a little crazy like the rest of us. You sound like you're aging way too fast for someone your age. So this weekend, your job is to do something you don't normally do, push the boundary a bit. That still you're making is a good start. Liquid courage it is.

BobL43
09-01-2011, 07:51 PM
Great to know I can brew my own beer and wine here for own consumption.

What, then, is the Great American reasoning for not allowing me to brew my own hard liquor?

As for fireworks, it's just a common sense issue like with guns. They should not be allowed.

You guys get all funny about DIYers installing water heaters and electrical panels and then fight for the right for people to blow themselves (and others) to bits with fireworks and guns.

That is messed up. You can't pick and choose with freedom.

Making hard liquor requires the distillation of Ethanol. That can be dangerous and can explode. My permit for a still required an affidavit that I would not use the alcohol for human consumption, just for fuel for vehicles.

Your last sentence is an oxymoron if I ever heard one. Is it original? Google is your friend too.:)

Ian Gills
09-02-2011, 06:45 PM
That can be dangerous and can explode.

Like a gun.

Ban/control/restrict things that explode!

And yes it was original, but I did not notice the oxymoron until you pointed it out. Shall we make a T-shirt for the T party?

BobL43
09-02-2011, 07:42 PM
Like a gun.

Ban/control/restrict things that explode!

And yes it was original, but I did not notice the oxymoron until you pointed it out. Shall we make a T-shirt for the T party?

Good idea Ian, but are you even allowed to utter the words "Tea Party"?

Cookie
09-02-2011, 09:38 PM
The more bans you got Ian, the more people are going to try to break em. That in itself becomes a dangerous thing, probably more so. Make something illegal and you get everyone's attention. I wouldn't want to live in a world where you couldn't think for yourself, where everything little thing that could be remotely dangerous would be taken away from you, why do you want so many many things controlled for you? You lose so many freedoms. Ian, you have never experienced what we have in the US, you do not realize what you would lose. No one ever does, until, whatever, it is, whether a person, or a freedom until, you do. Then, it is sometimes, and most of the time, too late. With your bans, I see, that you have nothing to compare it other than statistics, and honestly, that is like comparing apples and oranges. It won't work.

Cookie
09-02-2011, 09:46 PM
Just recently, I read where a young woman objected to removing a scarf from her head on a rollercoaster ride. You say, americans love rules. Well, one rule was started 3 years ago on rollercoaster rides that all headgear had to be removed for it could fly onto the rails and cause a disaster. This woman didn't want to remove the scarf. The rule was made for everyone to follow. Yet, this woman screamed blue bloody murder saying it was because she was of a different religion. It was dangerous for her to leave it on. Did she see it that way really?

So, should we ban roller coasters? Because people do not want to follow rules.

If you use fireworks, follow the rules, use commonsense.

Same as this woman should had thought of.

Making rules are alot better just banning this or banning that.

...and, if you cannot or will not, or don't want to follow the safety rules, then, don't do it; it doesn't matter if it is using fireworks, or riding a rollercoaster.

Banning something because of those who will not do what is appropriate is foolish.

Where does it end? Running with scissors?

Terry Love
09-02-2011, 11:54 PM
There is a rule about running with sissors. It's called "Don't run with sissors."

I alway walk slowly when I have sissors.

I went to a football game tonight, and of course everytime we scored against the Oakland Raiders we got some fireworks. Very nice.

jimbo
09-03-2011, 05:48 AM
Great to know I can brew my own beer and wine here for own consumption.


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What, then, is the Great American reasoning for not allowing me to brew my own hard liquor?


$$$$$$$$$ Uncle wants to be able to tax the crap out of distilled spirits!!!!!

That is messed up. You can't pick and choose with freedom

Who says so!

jimbo
09-03-2011, 05:52 AM
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Where does it end? Running with scissors?

When I was around 4th grade, a kid that was always around the ball field with us all summer, somehow was running with a pair of scissors at home...fell and was killed. After that, I always remembered the rule about running with scissors.

Ian Gills
09-03-2011, 07:33 AM
The more bans you got Ian, the more people are going to try to break em.

Absolute jibberish. As you later state Cookie, Americans love rules. I agree that bans would not work in all countries.

But Americans do as they are told. And they like doing as they are told. And they will tell on their neighbors if they do not do as they are told.

It is quite unique.

I have thought long and hard about why Americans are so well-behaved and have come up with the following reasoning.

You all pretend to hate Government, because it's in your constitution and your history and it would be wrong to speak out of turn.

But because you have been told and brought up to resist the trappings of a large Government, you all secretly want one.

It's like a teenage rebellion going on inside you all. So while your parents lectured you to dislike rules and to embrace freedom, you all love rules and want to be told what to do.

This is why Americans do not put their trash out until 8pm if it is the Town's rule not to do so.

End.

Cookie
09-03-2011, 07:49 AM
As I stated, you would rather just ban ban ban... giving no one any choice because of the few who would do something careless and stupid. That is why we have rules, for those few who will not think, giving the majority the choice to still have fun who knows sometimes, all it takes is commonsense.

Nothing is rubbish in our country unless, it is put in a can.

This is something that is hard for you to understand. I can understand why.

And, yes Ian, I think, you make something illegal it looks all that better.

Ian Gills
09-03-2011, 07:56 AM
Look, we've got people like Terry letting off fireworks.

You shouldn't allow explosives around kids.

I think Bothell Child Protection Services should come round and take Jamie to safety.

Cookie
09-03-2011, 08:35 AM
You mentioned more than once about legalizing marijuana how would this help the kids in our nation? Do you think, this would explode in their faces? What do you think would be the ramification of legalizing it for kids and for all?

BobL43
09-03-2011, 09:02 AM
You mentioned more than once about legalizing marijuana how would this help the kids in our nation? Do you think, this would explode in their faces? What do you think would be the ramification of legalizing it for kids and for all?

Escuse me, all a suddin I got da munchys. Wah? I din say dat.

Cookie
09-03-2011, 09:56 AM
If I smoked, I would want one now! Lol.. Just had to have the fire dept here at my home. Nice. While standing in the kitchen, the alarm goes off in the basement. I looked and it said, GAS... Nice. I figured, I just got a bath and the darn water heater is going. It is old. It is not a whipper-snapper Bob. So, I looked up the number for the gas company, the recording asked, " is it an explosion ( I guess since I am not in bits it is not) is it a fire? I checked my body didn't look like it, and do I smell gas? " So, since, none applied and customer service was closed, I hung up. I spent 1.50 to call information for the fire dept number. They said, to call 911. Now, I want my money back for that call. So, of course, I had to do my hair before they got here, and get dressed and cleaned up the house. The alarm stopped.

Before I knew it, I heard the fire truck outside. They are only down below me. They came dressed in this near 90 some heat in heavy gear. I showed them the path and it read okay down there. They turned on the water heater it was fine. So, it is determined I need a new alarm.

It is outside on my porch beeping now. I am entertaining the neighbors for a Saturday. I did notice not-a-one bothered to come over and say, " hey, you okay?" So, I will move the alarm closer to their windows when I go to buy a new one. :)

Oh, what was so neat was both the men graduated with my oldest and I was showing him pictures of his son. I remembered this man well. He was so sweet, and lied so well, he said that I haven't changed at all. I always did like him.

Ian Gills
09-03-2011, 11:07 AM
I've had the same problem with at least one of my alarms. They go straight in the bin if they wake me up with a false alarm more than twice.

Now, weed. The case for legalizing that is it doesn't do anyone else any harm and would kick the criminals in the nuts (who can charge high prices for the drugs they sell if they are illegal). You could sell it in shops, ensure it meets minimum standards (so it is not cut with harmful chemicals) and make sure kids don't buy it. Like with alcohol. You could also tax it to discourage consumption (like the Feds should be doing with junk food and soft drinks).

Fireworks are just dangerous. Like guns. Adults are about as hopeless as using them as kids. Kids can touch expired fireworks and get burnt. Guns just kill people.

Ban fireworks (except for official displays) and guns. Legalize da weed. And sell liquor on Sundays including at gas stations.

Bury the lines. Pay volunteer firefighters a salary. Proivde public healthcare and education for all. Tax churches.

And get some manners.

Then America will be great again.

Should I run in 2012?

Cookie
09-03-2011, 01:05 PM
Sure, right alongside of Obama.

Now, for the smoke/carbon monoxide alarm which I paid 60.00 hard earned dollars for, I returned it to HD. I couldn't get the same one as now they only sell that one online, but, I got another one for free. It is your civic duty not to toss things in the rubbish when the companies are responsible. It had a 7 year warranty and I only had it for 5.

Now, so far for drugs. Drugs kill. Here is the problem I see with statistics. You say guns kill, I agree. The numbers can be counted how many people die of a bullet wound, here is the problem, you can't count how many lives was saved by someone having a gun at the right moment at the right time. Those are not counted. I bet it is very very high.

To legalize pot is adding to the already drug equasion problem we have with the younger generation. It is not the same as handing out condoms saying if you got to be sexually active at an early age, use protection. Making the pot healthier is only going to encouage its use. I can hear a kid saying to his mom or dad, " but mom! I bought it at a corner store it is good stuff!" So, now you got more kids driving under the influence but, now high on pot. Where do you draw the line? with what drug? H? Next, lets make H, healthier and cleaner. Nah, Ian, not a good deal. Maybe... given time, in the right time, with the right generation with the right attitudes, that one drug could become legalized, and more with 'real' health problems, cancer, eyesight, could get it over a ******** counter. Maybe, someday, it could be sold and tax revenue collected, but, there is a time for everything, and that time, is not yet here. The mentality of the populous is yet, not right. It is viewed as a street drug, and the cool thing to do. At least with the "spirits" it is seen in a different light, (more social entertaining) and that very same light is the one, which needs to be, before it is legalized and sold in stores in the US. There are too irons in the fire yet. You legalize pot and you will see larger number of deaths than with guns.

You say guns kill, so does drugs, and alcohol is a drug. Ask MADD how they would feel about legalizing and selling a street drug in a store. The clientele in a pot store are going to mostly, be quite young, a few Steve Miller fans here and there, but, mostly, quite young; just at the age to buy.

Think of this scenario, Ian, somehow high on pot, shooting fireworks over your house.

Ian Gills
09-03-2011, 02:29 PM
The problem, though, Cookie is that every 15 year old that wants to try pot (and there are many) has to delve into the criminal world just to buy a bit of weed. To buy it, they're probably meeting up with some very unsavorably characters who don't just sell weed but have their fingers in a lot of other nasty activities.

Call me dumb (dlarrivee, from Canada, on the other thread did) but I would not want my kids to go anywhere near a criminal.

I'd rather he get the weed from a shop if he was stupid enough to have to try it.

It's a bit like it being better to have people stupid enough to buy guns having to get them from shops rather than gun fairs.

Cookie
09-03-2011, 02:40 PM
At the same token, having to go to a criminal just might be enough to stop more than you think. It is just too easy to walk into a store. Yeah about guns, but driving while packing a gun isn't going to make you weave into another lane.

I think, prostitution should be legalized here because, the time is right. It would cut down on disease, fatal diseases, get them health care, and rightfully, employed with even a social, so no need for the pimps. The mentality is such where most people can understand the need.

But, most will not understand the need for a pot store.

Ian Gills
09-03-2011, 02:49 PM
California is ready and they seem to be nice over there.

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/Image/1598/Thumb/1598R-42417.jpg

If push came to shove, I think I'd rather my kid play with pot than guns or....worse...fireworks.

BobL43
09-03-2011, 02:52 PM
California is ready and they seem to be nice over there.

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/Image/1598/Thumb/1598R-42417.jpg

If push came to shove, I think I'd rather my kid play with pot than guns or....worse...fireworks.

That shirt would look great on the West Coast

Cookie
09-03-2011, 03:49 PM
How did you get that picture of my camp cookery? ;)

Cookie
09-03-2011, 03:50 PM
You can't bubble wrap the world Ian. It won't work. The best, the very best you can do is to teach your kids, and the best mode of teaching is always by example.

Cookie
09-03-2011, 04:05 PM
Just the way it is Ian.

Cookie
09-03-2011, 06:27 PM
If I ever learned one thing in life besides not to run with scissors, is that, you cannot have your cake and eat it, too.

Teach your children well.


I think Ian, when you ban things, you are proposing that people are not smart enough or willing enough to do what is right.

Ian Gills
09-04-2011, 07:32 AM
OK.

But if we don't ban things then we should make sure that they are controlled to ensure they are safe.

Fireworks should be regulated so they do not go off in your hand.

And guns should be controlled to make them safe too.

Control guns. Regulate them to make them safe.

That's just common sense.

BobL43
09-04-2011, 08:24 AM
OK.

But if we don't ban things then we should make sure that they are controlled to ensure they are safe.

Fireworks should be regulated so they do not go off in your hand.


And guns should be controlled to make them safe too.

Control guns. Regulate them to make them safe.

That's just common sense.

Fireworks: like a hand grenade?
Guns: with a padlock on the trigger so you can tell a mugger: "excuse me while I unlock this, then you may continue"
my 2 cents, and that's not common.

Cookie
09-04-2011, 08:33 AM
I think all of those are being done. That is why we have rules. Why we have licenses for guns or permits. Or why things come with a set of directions. Have you ever bought a product and you wonder why it needs to say the most basic elementary warning? Like for instance, if you buy an aerosol spray can of some sorts it might tell you not to heaten it up in the oven. Or that a deodorant spray is not meant to spray in your eyes or to be eaten? You get it right Ian?

Next step would be to ban aerosol cans, deodorants, everything. My question is how much safer can anyone make most anything? The balance is left to those in authority. If a gun is in the house, the parents must lock it up, put it up, put the bullets in another place, and of course, teach the kids first off. I have bought fireworks and read the directions. Anyone unsure of using these things, don't use them. But, no one has the right to ban everything for everyone when the majority of people are not going to light a roman candle and hold it.

It is all about choice.

Like the people who protest marriages between the same sexes. Someday I might surprise the boys and get married again, and when I do, it will be with a man, but, I feel and think, I have no right to say this is the only right choice. That happens to be my choice. Banning a book, owning a gun, a roman candle, or a marriage, is unthinkable.

Ian Gills
09-04-2011, 11:03 AM
I just think that guns should be tested to make sure they are safe.

Like water heaters.

Why is the gun industry so special?

Cookie
09-04-2011, 04:11 PM
Huh? you got to explain this one, Ian. ;)

Terry
09-04-2011, 04:33 PM
Like Cookie mentions above, we allow people certain freedoms, not based on what we would do, but rather to allow individual hopes, inspiration, and inventiveness. We hope for the best. That's freedom.
There are certain lines we draw, mainly to prevent injury to non-participating parties. Such as people driving vehicles on the road hammered.

I am reading articles lately that moderate drinking of both booze and coffee is good for you. Right on. I don't have to change a thing.

Ian Gills
09-04-2011, 04:59 PM
A little bit of what you fancy does you good.

Cookie
09-04-2011, 05:08 PM
Like Cookie mentions above, we allow people certain freedoms, not based on what we would do, but rather to allow individual hopes, inspiration, and inventiveness. We hope for the best. That's freedom.
There are certain lines we draw, mainly to prevent injury to non-participating parties. Such as people driving vehicles on the road hammered.

I am reading articles lately that moderate drinking of both booze and coffee is good for you. Right on. I don't have to change a thing.

Terry why are you reading that UK funny paper?

ballvalve
09-05-2011, 01:46 PM
I just think that guns should be tested to make sure they are safe.

Like water heaters.

Why is the gun industry so special?

Guns are far more tested than water heaters [not] -they must meet drop tests with safety on and off and bullet in chamber. Amongst others.

At least for the handler, likely safer than fireworks.

And what idiot would distill liquor at home when you can get a 1,5 litre for 8.99$ of vodka, add some juniper and rosemary and have gin.

Distilling booze at home is not like making wine or beer.

Cookie
09-05-2011, 02:03 PM
A gun can kill, but Ian, it is the person behind the gun pulling the trigger which is the real danger. There is a book, it is actually a text book/novel, written by a child clinical psychologist, Johathan Kellerman, called Savage Spawn. (reflections on violent children)
In it will you will grow to understand that you could remove every gun, or explosive in this world and the danger still remains.

"The most effective way to fight violent crime in the short term is to focus upon habitually violent people when they are very young and not to get distracted by social theorizing that leads to nowhere." Kellerman

http://www.amazon.com/Savage-Spawn-Reflections-Children-Contemporary/dp/0345429397

Ian Gills
09-05-2011, 05:58 PM
60 rounds a minute?

There's the problem.

Automatic weapons should be banned.

Just how many intruders are you expecting?

Or is it just that Americans are such a bad shot that they need more than one go?

Cookie
09-05-2011, 06:04 PM
If you can, take a look at the book, Ian.
We could then discuss it. That is what I did with my family, husband, and sons.

*I liked it best when we "discussed" the Chaos theory. I got them all upset. ( to illustrate you know) Chaos

Cookie
09-05-2011, 06:22 PM
Here's an idea Ian. Everyone interested get that book, you can buy it used. And, we all could discuss it. What do you think? Alot for discussion if you want.

Cookie
09-05-2011, 06:28 PM
One thought, Ian, the failure to understand the correlation-squared index is one reason nonscientists are often overly impressed by scientific data.

I could explain this, but, if you buy the book it will, too. :)

BobL43
09-06-2011, 03:52 AM
One thought, Ian, the failure to understand the correlation-squared index is one reason nonscientists are often overly impressed by scientific data.

I could explain this, but, if you buy the book it will, too. :)

*hint has to do with stats ( they are off)

Hi Cookie, as I said a few weeks ago, Welcome Back! You definitely are now:)

Cookie
09-06-2011, 05:06 AM
You are too funny Bob, :)
I got to educate Ian. lol.

LOTW
09-06-2011, 07:15 AM
I am reading articles lately that moderate drinking of both booze and coffee is good for you. Right on. I don't have to change a thing.


My grandfather used to tell me "All things in moderation, including moderation." It took me quite a while to understand what he meant. He went to a fundamentalist church twice every Sunday, kept a bottle of cheap brandy available at all times, retired from farming when he was 85, and smoked Camel straights until the day he died at age 92. Hypocritical? Perhaps, but he kept his bases covered, I think. Can you still buy Camel straights?

BobL43
09-06-2011, 07:31 AM
My grandfather used to tell me "All things in moderation, including moderation." It took me quite a while to understand what he meant. He went to a fundamentalist church twice every Sunday, kept a bottle of cheap brandy available at all times, retired from farming when he was 85, and smoked Camel straights until the day he died at age 92. Hypocritical? Perhaps, but he kept his bases covered, I think. Can you still buy Camel straights? yeah, some people have genetics that allow them to drink and smoke , eat a pound of bacon every day, and do the hootchie koo as much as they want and live to a ripe old age. Others eat well, never smoke or drink, go to church and die young. Enjoy life and be considerate to others, help them when you can. Your reward may vary.
Apparently, the Camel unfiltered are still available: http://www.cigreviews.com/view-review/Camel/21

LOTW
09-06-2011, 07:40 AM
Apparently, the Camel unfiltered are still available: http://www.cigreviews.com/view-review/Camel/21

Don't tell Ian

BobL43
09-06-2011, 08:04 AM
Don't tell Ian

OK, SHHH!:p:p

Cookie
09-06-2011, 08:54 AM
yeah, some people have genetics that allow them to drink and smoke , eat a pound of bacon every day, and do the hootchie koo as much as they want and live to a ripe old age. Others eat well, never smoke or drink, go to church and die young. Enjoy life and be considerate to others, help them when you can. Your reward may vary.
Apparently, the Camel unfiltered are still available: http://www.cigreviews.com/view-review/Camel/21

Bob, if you eat a pound of bacon with the fat, you will have high testosterone levels which increases agression and your family size, hence, the hootchie koo.

I got the crap genes and missing chromosones, so I eat what I want and call it good. :)

BobL43
09-06-2011, 09:46 AM
Bob, if you eat a pound of bacon with the fat, you will have high testosterone levels which increases agression and your family size, hence, the hootchie koo.

I got the crap genes and missing chromosones, so I eat what I want and call it good. :)

YOU are funny!

Cookie
09-06-2011, 04:04 PM
I'm tellin ya, I got the crap genes and I am missing a chromosone, lol. They say it doesn't matter. ;) not so sure...

...what if we get Ian to eat bacon fat, will he then want fireworks?

BobL43
09-06-2011, 05:07 PM
YOU are funny!

Well Ian has his lucky shirt to protect him; that's a good thing

Cookie
09-06-2011, 07:13 PM
I actually like that shirt. :) I hope he knows we just kid him.