Natural Gas rated PVC modifications for a generator

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Linus

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In our house, circa 1973, we have an underground 1 1/4" gas line that runs from the meter to the pool heater, approximately 75ft. Risers at both the meter and the heater end and first foot or so of the lateral pipe is black iron, but then transitions into white PVC that is clearly labeled "Natural Gas rated PVC" I was hoping to tap into this pipe to supply a new Generac NG generator. Can I use regular PVC tee fitting and MPT adaptor and transition to iron pipe to run to the generator? The current pvc to FPT adaptors at each end pretty much look like what you would find in the irrigation isle of the hardware store. If not, are there specialized fittings? Couldn't find anything online. Electrician is doing the generator install, but will not run the gas pipe.
 

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No pvc on gas lines. You can use poly ethylene piping and associated fittings that are labled gas only.
 

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There was a time when sch 40 pvc gas was used at least on low pressure gas lnes to pool heaters and bbq legally in ca. ive used it had the work inspected etc. back in the 80s we used sch 40 pipe color coded yellow and marked for gas with sch 40 couplings 90s ant tees regular sch 40 white and special tranition fittings.
So the dilema is how to deal with existing pvc underground I dont know of a good way and I doubt a transition fitting is available that would have been legal in the past although something similar can be found I cannot and do not recomend connecting to the current pvc . but make no mistake it was very common in so ca in my early years plumbing
 

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Jeff Young, you are correct. I was subsequently told that in the 70's the code allowed such an installation. Question is now, what to do? Does this really constitute a clear and present danger? As mentioned in the original post, this gas line runs 75' to a pool heater and happens to run adjacent to where we want to install the new generator. My options as I see them are to tee off the iron pipe riser at the meter above the PVC for the generator and not touch the PVC (expensive, difficult and not elegant but not impossible) , tee off the existing PVC near the new generator using a standard PVC tee and transition to coated iron pipe (it is only about 8' -- easiest and least expensive), or replace the entire 75' run of pvc that is otherwise in apparent usable condition (prohibitively expensive.) I had two plumbers bid and look at it. One wouldn't touch it at all and said it was never legal regardless of how the pipe is marked (he was wrong). The second said yea, it was ok back in the day but not now. He suggested replacing the rusted riser to a new coated pipe using the existing PVC fitting, and then find a way to have a new gas line run to the generator, not disturbing the PVC. He did say he felt we could safely tee off the PVC (the analogy was tying in new romex to old knob and tube wiring) but also said it would probably not pass inspection and may trigger a call to replace the entire 75' -- we would roll the dice. I get it, in today's thinking, PVC should not be used for gas and in a perfect world, i'd probably replace the entire length of PVC. However the problem is that it runs under considerable concrete around the pool so replacing it in its entirety would be prohibitively expensive and arguably ugly. Like my old house, it had knob and tube wiring but the wires were in great shape and every electrician that did work said that there was really no reason to replace it just because it isn't compliant with code today.
 

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What if you pulled the pvc out and dragged new poly gas pipe off a smaller size through the hole? If it were a straight run it would be pretty easy. Otherwise diectional boring is getting pretty common/ cheap/ and very accurate.

I would try my damdest to get rid of the pvc, but if it's really not practical then i would attach to it with solvent weld (glue and primer) only. No threads on pvc even sched. 80.
 
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