Help identifying older Standard toilet for flapper replacement

[Jerseyguy82]

This toilet has a raised brass flange in the basin, and I can't find any flapper that works with it. I have also looked at the older "crossed barrels" style American Standard flapper valves, but this flange does not have any holes for the 3 brass retainers to fit in. The fill tube does not have any pegs to clip a flapper onto either. The flange is raised about 1.25" from the bottom of the basin and has a smooth curved lip (see pictures below). There are no holes except for where it connects to the fill tube, the flange walls are smooth.

Picture of the brand : "Standard"

https://i.postimg.cc/KYgLMp9x/20241108-104403.jpg

Picture of the model # (?): "269 4048" I think but it is hard to make out. I think it says "AUG 4" below

https://i.postimg.cc/05GYn39N/20241108-104438.jpg

"Made In USA" impression

https://i.postimg.cc/8zYMsgmZ/20241108-104415.jpg


Flange from the side:

https://i.postimg.cc/d09Hz1Yh/20241108-122358.jpg

Flange from above:

https://i.postimg.cc/6pfFNzV6/20241108-104738.jpg

Picture of the front of the toilet:

https://i.postimg.cc/Yjcz4K7c/20241108-104822.jpg

Toilet from the side:

https://i.postimg.cc/7Zkjcj2Q/20241108-104842.jpg

 

[Jerseyguy82]

This toilet has a raised brass flange in the basin, and I can't find any flapper that works with it. I have also looked at the older "crossed barrels" style American Standard flapper valves, but this flange does not have any holes for the 3 brass retainers to fit in. The fill tube does not have any pegs to clip a flapper onto either. The flange is raised about 1.25" from the bottom of the basin and has a smooth curved lip (see pictures below). There are no holes except for where it connects to the fill tube, the flange walls are smooth.

Picture of the brand : "Standard"

https://i.postimg.cc/KYgLMp9x/20241108-104403.jpg

Picture of the model # (?): "269 4048" I think but it is hard to make out. I think it says "AUG 4" below

https://i.postimg.cc/05GYn39N/20241108-104438.jpg

"Made In USA" impression

https://i.postimg.cc/8zYMsgmZ/20241108-104415.jpg


Flange from the side:

https://i.postimg.cc/d09Hz1Yh/20241108-122358.jpg

Flange from above:

https://i.postimg.cc/6pfFNzV6/20241108-104738.jpg

Picture of the front of the toilet:

https://i.postimg.cc/Yjcz4K7c/20241108-104822.jpg

Toilet from the side:

https://i.postimg.cc/7Zkjcj2Q/20241108-104842.jpg

Actually I am thinking the model # says 4043, not 4048. That would make it a "Compton" style toilet. But the parts listed online do not look like what I am seeing on the toilet. The flanges shown online are not like the one I have....

 

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[GReynolds929]

Looks like a standard 2" flush valve kit would fit. I would go that route.

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[Jerseyguy82]

Looks like a standard 2" flush valve kit would fit. I would go that route.

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So you're suggesting I should separate the tank from the bowl and replace the whole flange/fill pipe assembly?

 

[Peterson]

That's a nice toilet! That's a later 1950's or early 1960's Standard Cadet in Regency Blue. The flush valve (pipe assembly) most likely had a tank ball and guide ware attached to it. These were used before flappers. You can buy replacement parts at your local hardware store, or online.

HOWEVER in zooming in on the one picture of your toilet looking on the outside, it looks like the tank to bowl bolts might be leaking. It looks like there's calcifications building up. If it is not leaking, leave it alone and don't mess with the bolts.

If it is really leaking, you need to disassemble the tank from the bowl, and replace the washers on the bolts. For this toilet, you need to KEEP THE BOLTS. Clean them up and do not throw them away. The bolts on these older Standards were slightly longer (and better quality) than the replacement bolts available today because the porcelain is thicker.

If you end up having to do this, I would then replace the flush valve assembly with a plastic flapper version like the one mentioned above. Or you could even use the American Standard tilt valve contraption which is available online complete with all gaskets, etc.

 

[Jerseyguy82]

That's a nice toilet! That's a later 1950's or early 1960's Standard Cadet in Regency Blue. The flush valve (pipe assembly) most likely had a tank ball and guide ware attached to it. These were used before flappers. You can buy replacement parts at your local hardware store, or online.

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HOWEVER in zooming in on the one picture of your toilet looking on the outside, it looks like the tank to bowl bolts might be leaking. It looks like there's calcifications building up. If it is not leaking, leave it alone and don't mess with the bolts.

If it is really leaking, you need to disassemble the tank from the bowl, and replace the washers on the bolts. For this toilet, you need to KEEP THE BOLTS. Clean them up and do not throw them away. The bolts on these older Standards were slightly longer (and better quality) than the replacement bolts available today because the porcelain is thicker.

If you end up having to do this, I would then replace the flush valve assembly with a plastic flapper version like the one mentioned above. Or you could even use the American Standard tilt valve contraption which is available online complete with all gaskets, etc.

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My friend you are an amazing person. Thanks for taking your time to help me out! The above info is the missing link I've been searching everywhere for. I was trapped in this loop of searching for an American Standard tilt valve that would work with this setup, but as I mentioned in my post there just aren't the correct mounts for any of them to attach to on this flange/fill tube.

I will try to find the parts you mentioned in the diagram. This looks like a much more appropriate solution for this toilet. As far as I know it does not leak but I will take a closer look to confirm. Yes this is a GREAT toilet and I want to avoid replacing it at all costs (including risking taking it apart to upgrade the internals, risking cracking the porcelain).

Thanks again!!!