Combo Vent and Waste concept for peninsula sink - right, wrong?

JeanetteOki

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Kitchen remodel. I don't have a contractor and am subbing out the plumbing.

I have a peninsula that had a split counter with a bar level and a sink level. The bar is gone (demo'd) and I will be making the sink countertop (about 48" by 90") all one level. I attached a very general drawing I made using the plumber's description of his proposed plan. Missing, is the slow slope of the horizontal which I assume the plumber will do correctly and whatever clean outs he may put in.

My question is about the pipe sizing. See my drawing (dotted lines mean it is behind the cabinet wall in a pony wall at the center of the 48" x 90" countertop). The plumber says the horizontal waste line will be 1 1/2 inches and the drain pipe will be 2 inches, (see drain at the far left that meets the vertical vent pipe).

Shouldn't the waste line, (the horizontal pipe) be 2x the size of the pea trap pipes, which are usually 1 1/2, right? So, that it can carry more water and the flow from the sink can easily drain into it, "ensuring a free flow of air above the effluent"?
From: https://www.finehomebuilding.com/project-guides/plumbing/a-new-old-way-to-vent-a-kitchen-island
That would mean a 3" waste line pipe, yes or no? I am having trouble finding other examples or schematas of this waste / drain combination. Or do I have it wrong and the pea trap pipe is supposed to be twice the size of the sink outlet?

Other plumbers recommended the high loop vent, which won't fit in my sink cabinet with an apron sink, apron sink framing, and the RO system. I could use an AAV, but we like the physics of a vent pipe, tried and true.

FYI The vertical vent pipe above the tie-in is galvanized and I decided today that will be fully replaced with an ABS vertical. Today, after drawing attached was drawn, demo was done of a section of the horizontal vent pipe and it was filled with rust and corroded metal. And, it had a plumbing snake in there that continues up the pipe. WHAT?!
 

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Came here to revive this thread because I have the same question. I've read elsewhere that a combo waste + vent only needs to be one pipe diameter bigger than the trap arm. If so, 2" would be fine. But would love confirmation of that fact!
 

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Alright, I chased down what I think is the definition in the UPC:

910.4 Size
Each waste pipe and each trap in such a system shall be not less than two pipe sizes exceeding the sizes required by Chapter 7 of this code, and not less than two pipe sizes exceeding a fixture tailpiece or connection.
 

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Alright, I chased down what I think is the definition in the UPC:
The picture in this thread isn't a combo waste and vent layout. It's just a normal trap arm on a vertical drain. 2" drain and 1.5" trap arm.

A 1.5" trap arm can be up to 42" long under the UPC and up to 6' in some modified versions of the upc along with the ipc. There's no reason to use a combinations waste and vent system for this arrangement and a combo waste and vent arrangement has to be pre approved by an inspector because they are not optimal.
 
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