H2OFun2017
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Our plumbing rough inspection failed today, for a variety of reasons. After looking at the plumbing closer, it does not look like a quality job to me. Any thoughts based on the pic attached?
New home construction - failed plumbing rough inspection
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Jadnashua
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The first picture, those drain (vanity?) rough-ins are not vented.
Hard to say on the pex, but while some treat it like copper and use fittings to change direction, that loses one of the main benefits of having a flexible tubing. Plus, while it's not obvious where everything goes, pex's ID is smaller than copper, so sometimes, you need larger pipes than you might with copper...it depends.
Hard to say on the pex, but while some treat it like copper and use fittings to change direction, that loses one of the main benefits of having a flexible tubing. Plus, while it's not obvious where everything goes, pex's ID is smaller than copper, so sometimes, you need larger pipes than you might with copper...it depends.
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H2OFun2017
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Thank you Jim for the reply. I thought the same thing on those direction changes. I.e. I thought a flexible tubing would eliminate some of those fittings/directional changes. I appreciate your feedback.
Helpful Plumbing Hints for Residential Construction by Bert Polk Plumbing Inspector Lincoln County
Almost nothing looks right. Who did the work?
Whoever did the work has no idea of what plumbing is supposed to look like and why.
Almost nothing looks right. Who did the work?
Whoever did the work has no idea of what plumbing is supposed to look like and why.
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H2OFun2017
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Thank you Terry for the reply. I don't know if that makes me feel good or bad though <insert small laugh>. I hired a licensed, master plumber, in the State of Michigan. He hasn't been the one completing the work though, i.e. he has sent his son (who doesn't look to be older than 16 mind you) the past few times. I am considering asking him to not come out any more, and I will find a different plumber to fix what has already been done, and to complete the job properly. The work thus far has been extremely sloppy, in so many ways.
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Neither of these lavs are vented. The lower fitting should be a long turn 90 in 2", not 1.5". Again, where is the venting?
No support for the tub spout, and no drain on the tub.
Where is the vent?
Is this in the crawl space? Or are you furring down to cover the pipes?
Why the 3" pipe there? If that is supplying any plumbing upstairs, it will need to be redone. You can't have plumbing from above drop over plumbing below.
H2OFun2017
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A few other notes, to accompany what might not be able to be seen in the pictures. The PEX tubing has A LOT of fittings and turns. To me, this seems unnecessary, and is just potential leak paths. Secondly, many of the lines/drains are sloppily mounted, i.e. the supply lines and drains are "wiggly" where they are mounted. Also, many of the holes for the lines and drains were mis-drilled, they obviously didn't bother to measure, or maybe it was just easier to sloppily guess where they should go. It almost looks like they were trying to make use of a bunch of scrap parts. Supply lines are short in areas, not to mention the drain lines appear to be a mucked up combo of scrap parts. The vent line is a muck of different diameters leading out to the roof. I have added more pics below. Thank you for your feedback, its much appreciated.
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H2OFun2017
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Hi Terry, to reply to your questions on the photos.
The pic that looks like a crawl space, is actually our main floor joists, i.e. our basement ceiling. Gosh, that looks like a mess to me.
The 3" pipe in the other photo, that is actually a vent going out to the roof. Another mess?
The house is a ranch (with a walk out basement).
The pic that looks like a crawl space, is actually our main floor joists, i.e. our basement ceiling. Gosh, that looks like a mess to me.
The 3" pipe in the other photo, that is actually a vent going out to the roof. Another mess?
The house is a ranch (with a walk out basement).
H2OFun2017
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Thank you for sending the link to Bert Polk's plumbing tips. I am reading it now.
FullySprinklered
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Looks like a cartoon.
Storm rider
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I would have preferred that the hot be on the left and the cold be on the right. I would also think that a back-to-back fixture fitting would be better than a double santee.
Jadnashua
Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx
You sure that guy actually has a master plumber's license? He's ultimately responsible for doing it right. Most states have a registry where you can check, and the inspector should be able to tell you and maybe help.
Dj2
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I hope you didn't pay in full.
H2OFun2017
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Thank you all for your input. I haven't actually seen our Master Plumber on the job site in quite some time. I have, however, seen a couple other people doing his work for him. We paid him 50% up front (I now know this was prob not the best thing to do), and he informed today that we owe him more money, and that he is basically 70% done with the job.
Jadnashua
Retired Defense Industry Engineer xxx
If you do decide to keep him (and contracts can be messy), inform him that what is in failed, and that he'll get no more money until what has been done will pass code inspection.
Marjorielou
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This looks just wrong. I am not a professional plumber but this is not good at all
Samsontryn
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I have not seen this thread before for some reason, but I will probably borrow this image to show people what plumbing should not look like. Almost nothing is done correctly, and that is not supposed to work.
John Gayewski
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Senior Coupling, ready to work sir!
Jeff H Young
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A lot of things wrong I'm glad it failed so the work didn't get covered. My guess is the Master Plumber has a kid that doesn't quite know what's going on . Need to get the main man out there and get it done right
