14" rough out or not?

i was told to measure from the wall to the center of mounting bolt, i came out with 14" House Built in 1951 ...told lowes 14 lowes tells me that i have a 12", i am getting a Cimarron Model: K-11465-0 which fits my price range. So do i have 12 or 14". can someone help.Thanks Ray

If you measured from the finished wall to the center of the flange / bolts you have / need a 14" rough toilet.

A 12" will fit but will give you a 2" gap behind the tank. If you can live with that then a 12" will work if not you need a 14".

Thanks Cass.. what i thought 14". Lowes needs someone in that department that knows something. Now can anyone sugguest a high preformace toilet 14" cut elongated that only comes out 29" max it looks like so the door can still shuts. if not any round ones. also with the 16 1/2" height... i would check into buying a Toto but have none around my area. Mom and Dad got a Cadet saids they have had no problems with it. not sure if they a reliable. price range 200-300 would be nice. thanks ray

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As soon as you said "16 1/2" height", you lost the ability to find a true 14" toilet. If you do find one, it will be a 12" bowl with a 2" thicker tank to eliminate the space behind the tank, but the bowl will still project 2" further out than a true 14" would.

if you click over to the kohler website you can click around until you find the technical specifications/rough-in figures for your toilet. I did the same thing today, I also have a cimmarron, it is a one piece unit and has a different model than yours ( mine is k-3489) my rough-in is 12 inches from the finished wall.

I'd still suggest looking at Toto. Have you tried looking for local dealers on their website? There are some Toto dealers in Idaho...and there's always mail-order. I just bought two Toto Aquias for my newest residence via mail-order and everything arrived as ordered about a week later, no probs.

Trying to get a Toto with a 14" rough-in will limit you to their models which use the Uni-Fit adapters. These are their "skirted" toilets, which look better, but also tend to cost more than their non-Unifit toilets. The Toto Vespin is the cheapest Uni-Fit toilet Toto makes (IIRC), and that with the 14" uni-fit kit will probably be a bit over your desired $300 max. That said, the advantage to Toto's skirted toilets is that the toilet's dimensions don't change regardless of if you use a 10", 12", or 14" adapter, not to mention the performance factor.

In my other residence, I have two Toto Pacificas. One has a 10" Uni-fit, while the other has a 12". This ended up happening as the result of a bathroom remodel where walls were substantially moved and rooms were combined. The Unifit system meant we could order two of the same toilets, get the same look in both bathrooms, and have them occupy the same amount of space, just had to order the extra 10" Uni-fit kit.

FWIW, the only 14" Kohlers made seem to be their Wellworth series, with the elongated being 34" deep (holy sh*t... my Aquias are elongated and are only 27" deep) while the round Wellworth 14" is 28" deep. Their prices also make the Toto Vepsin w/14" Uni-fit start to look affordable.

Overall, 14" toilets are hard to find, and are usually much more expensive than the 12" standard toilets. If you can live with the extra 2" behind the tank, by all means, buy a 12" and save yourself some $$$. Maybe throw a countertop or cabinet over the tank with the money you've saved. Just allow for access to work on the tank for repairs. A 3rd option would be to throw a tile or wood wainscoating on the back wall to help "bulk up" the wall and reduce the 2" gap that a traditional 12" rough-in toilet would leave. It'd probably still be cheaper than a 14" toilet AND could add a rather nice decorative touch.

Well, at the home store you probably talk to some young kid who has beedn taught that toilets are "supposed to be" 12" rough, and maybe they even taught him that there are some "oddball" 10" , because they carry that one. He never even heard of 14"

Amercican Standard makes a Cadet in 14" . The elongated bowl, also available in ADA height, projects 31½". You could probably also fit the round bowl, which would project about 29", but is not available in ADA.

The Cadet EL 14 runs about $325 list; you could probably order at the home store for $275

I do buy Toto in Idaho from one of my suppliers.
It's doable.
A standard 12" rough elongated ADA would be 30-3/4" from the wall in Toto.

A Unifit elongated Toto with 14" kit would be 28-3/4" from the wall.

Something like a 12" Dalton round bowl, (16-1/8" high) would be 29" from the wall

The 14" Cadet elongated ADA would be 32-1/4" from the wall.


Toto Vespin II CST474CEFG with SS114 Softclose seat.
This bowl was installed on a 13-1/2" rough-in using the 14" Unifit adapter.
The water shutoff can be as close as 5-1/2" to the left of center, unless it's higher off the floor, and then it can be even closer to center.
This shutoff had been replaced with a new 1/4 turn valve with brass nipple through the wall.
Installation was by James Love of Love Plumbing & Remodel 206-949-5683
In some of the older Seattle homes, the old toilets had been wall mounted tank toilets.
Those typically are 14" rough-in and need a flange repair to use standard closet bolt connections at the flange.
Everything is on the truck for that.
The Vespin comes with a standard 12" adapter or you can order a 10" or 14" adapter depending on your rough-in distance.

Hi,

I have a 14" rough-in and just purchased a Toto with 14" unifit flange. Any tips or pointers on installing the flange properly (the instruction are a little vague). Specifically, what size/type of wax ring should I use between the unifit flange and toilet floor flange? Does the wax ring tend to shift when screwing in the four floor screws at the rear?

Thanks,
Greg

I just mush the Unifit down over the wax, sometimes I use my foot.