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By the way, what do you do with all this stuff you buy? You wouldn't be doing unlicensed work would you?
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By the way, what do you do with all this stuff you buy? You wouldn't be doing unlicensed work would you?
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Ronaldg, the government establishes business laws and usually manufacturers and their distributors are not allowed to sell to the end user; the homeowner. Their distributors sell to their dealers and we sell to the end user. The manufacturers don't want to hear from you or the dealer and the distributor doesn't want to hear form you. Most vehicle and clothing, electronics, appliances, etc. etc. manufacturers are set up the same way. So IMO you do not know what you don't know about all this.
HD, Lowe's, Sears etc. do not sell the same quality pumps, tanks, softeners etc. that us distributors' dealers do. And usually the product name or model, the warranty and specs is lower, less and shorter. Example, Ecowater makes all the big box store brand water treatment equipment, yet they make a much better version for the Ecowater dealers. The big box brands have a 90 day to 3 year warranty with 1 year on the control valve; the 3 yrs is for the tanks, all other control valve manufacturers warranty their valves for at least 5 yrs non prorated and 10 yrs on the tanks. The same happens for well pumps and tanks. I used to be a Gould's and Starite pumps dealer, you haven't seen either in a big box store and probably never will. You pay list from a distributor or you buy from a dealer or you buy something with less quality.
As to forums and info, you are debating and denying a lot of accurate info provided by pros that post here. You want things the way you want them and that isn't possible, so you need to shop locally with the help of your yellow pages or accept the advice you get here and buy online or find a local pump supply house in your yellow pages that will sell to homeowners; if they will you usually pay list.
HD, Lowe's, Sears etc. do not sell the same quality pumps, tanks, softeners etc. that us distributors' dealers do. And usually the product name or model, the warranty and specs is lower, less and shorter. Example, Ecowater makes all the big box store brand water treatment equipment, yet they make a much better version for the Ecowater dealers. The big box brands have a 90 day to 3 year warranty with 1 year on the control valve; the 3 yrs is for the tanks, all other control valve manufacturers warranty their valves for at least 5 yrs non prorated and 10 yrs on the tanks. The same happens for well pumps and tanks. I used to be a Gould's and Starite pumps dealer, you haven't seen either in a big box store and probably never will. You pay list from a distributor or you buy from a dealer or you buy something with less quality.
As to forums and info, you are debating and denying a lot of accurate info provided by pros that post here. You want things the way you want them and that isn't possible, so you need to shop locally with the help of your yellow pages or accept the advice you get here and buy online or find a local pump supply house in your yellow pages that will sell to homeowners; if they will you usually pay list.
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ncgeo
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it is not illegal for an unlicensed person person do to work on their own equipment as long as the work is permiited and inspected.
ncgeo
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Hi Gary, I'm not aware of the government allowing or disallowing who a distributor can sell to, but you may know more about that than I. I know the manufacturers won't sell to me; they prefer to deal in quantity to established dealers. And distributors naturally would prefer the large trade accounts. But they also service the professionals that buy just once. I'm really not much different from that individual as far the distributor is concerned. I'll pay a premium, but is it really ethical for distributor to drain my wallet for the same amount of effort by the counterperson?
You echo my point exactly regarding Goulds and Starite, I can't get them anywhere except a distributor. If I want Water Ace I'll go to Lowe's but if I want Myers where can I go? Suggesting I buy online is a loophole in itself which bypasses the distributors; **** or most of the online stores are just huge electronic flea markets selling to anyone. Wouldn't the distributors want a piece of that business? More frequently now the answer is yes. Again I'm willing to pay a premium, just treat me fairly.
I truly do respect the knowledge you guys have and could hardly debate or match your real-world experience. The information presented on these forums is invaluable. But that is not the issue being discussed in this thread. The issue is being effectively locked out from buying supplies due to antiquated, ambiguous, and inconsistent policies.
I wish you guys would be more open minded on this. These forums, and the internet as a whole, was made possible by a bunch of non-professional hackers. Much of it is programmed by those without formal credentials. Maybe we should have suppressed their good work as well.
All this being said I'm going to lay low on this topic now. I sense we're debating an issue that isn't going to be resolved by any of us, and I conclude we disagree on this.
ncgeo
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Interesting, **** was the name of the largest online auction when I composed this reply. I wonder why it was filtered and not some other trademarked names. Must be a coding error by one of those non-professional hackers
The Internet has created a global market. DIY people have more information available (like this forum), and more products available to them, so there is a lot more people doing it themselves than ever before. In the past a supply house would have never risk selling to and end user. However, thanks to guys like Bob, the supply houses know that you will be able to purchase what you want from somebody. They realize they will lose out on a sale if they don't help the end user. So more and more supply houses now offer "cash" sales to individuals. Only time will tell what the Internet will do to the manufacturer, distributor, dealer, then end user chain that has been used for years. Pricing on the Net now lets people see just how many times products are marked up before they get them.
There are now many places where the end user can purchase directly from the manufacturer. Installers are going to need to start charging what their labor and expertise is really worth, and stop trying to make their profit on the equipment mark up. There is a real art to installing pumps. Some home owners may luck out and get things installed correctly, and not have many problems. However, knowing where to put a little extra tape, how much slack to leave in the wire, and a multitude of other little things that installers learn the hard way, are what separates a DIY from a professional installation. Sometimes just knowing where to put a little extra tape, or not, can make the difference between a pump system lasting 1 year or 20 years.
There are now many places where the end user can purchase directly from the manufacturer. Installers are going to need to start charging what their labor and expertise is really worth, and stop trying to make their profit on the equipment mark up. There is a real art to installing pumps. Some home owners may luck out and get things installed correctly, and not have many problems. However, knowing where to put a little extra tape, how much slack to leave in the wire, and a multitude of other little things that installers learn the hard way, are what separates a DIY from a professional installation. Sometimes just knowing where to put a little extra tape, or not, can make the difference between a pump system lasting 1 year or 20 years.
Speedbump
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You can crank a GSG-2 up to 80/100. Any switch will work with three phase if your using a contactor.
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