interesting GFCI issue...

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michigan joe

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• Oct 24, 2008

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i have a small half bath. there is one light and one switch in the room. no outlets.

i wanted to replace the switch with a switch/receptacle GFCI combo but when i pulled the old toggle switch out, there was only one cable coming into the box -black, white and ground...

what's up?

thanks so much!
joe

 

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• Oct 24, 2008

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It is not hot/neutral/ground, it is hot/white switched lead/ground and you cannot put a receptacle there unless you can run a neutral wire to the outlet.

 

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• Oct 24, 2008

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In this case:

ground is ground. So we'll just think about the white and black.

The feed probably runs directly to the box the light fixture is attached to. From there, one 3-wire cable was pulled to the switch and the black was used as power from the feed to the switch and white was used as power from the switch to the light.


Pretend they are both black and it makes more sense.

 

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• Oct 25, 2008

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Also.....you need to add.....DO NOT have the temptation to use the BARE equipment grounding conductor for ANYTHING other than it's intended purpose....bonding to facilitate the operation of the Overcurrent Protection Devices.............So with that said you will need to install a new 12-2 w/Ground NM Cable to a new box where you intend to install the GFCI receptacle.......

lol...Unless of course you are in Chicago where I would suggest a 12-2 MC Cable w/ insulated ground....lol

 

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• Oct 25, 2008

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The hot and neutral will be in the light jbox.

It is usually pretty easy to drop down the wall from there and add the GFCI.

The legality of the installation will come into question because the new recep will not be 20 amp dedicated to the bath.

 

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• Oct 25, 2008

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It is usually pretty easy to drop down the wall from there and add the GFCI.

Really. I usually have a hard time fishing from a ceiling light to the wall switch box, or from a light centered over the medicine cabinet down the wall, and around the corner to the light switch. How do you do it "EASY"l unless there is an attic to work in, which we have few of.

 

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• Oct 25, 2008

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I usually have a hard time fishing from a ceiling light to the wall switch box

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And I usually have trouble changing out a rusted closet flange



He is talking about a recep so the location isn't as much of an issue as a switch.

99% of older houses here have a light over the vanity.

If it has a recessed medicine cabinet, even easier. Pull out the cabinet and you have easy access to the adjacent stud bays and j box.

Many times the wall is deep to accomodate the plumbing. Sometimes it is framed with staggered 2x4's which makes it even easier.

 

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• Oct 26, 2008

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perfect. thanks.

hahaha. thanks. the "pretend they're both black" helped.

i will be practicing my "wire fishing" tomorrow!

michigan joe