Sealing leak between rubber and PVC

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PaulHG

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Toilet waste pipe PVC is connected to the main line (Cast Iron) with a rubber hub of some kind that has apparently been in place for MANY years.
I just discovered a TINY leak - one small drop about every 3 minutes coming through the rubber.
I really dont want to open the whole can of worms of trying to replace this -
Is there a product that is I could apply around the end of the rubber hub that would adhere to both it and the PVC to seal it?
 

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Do you really want to patch something like this and just hope it will hold? You have a couple of choices. Replace the connector with a new no hub or call in a plumber to lead in a new cast iron flange. This isn't a place for a bandaid.
 

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There should be a large hose clamp around the end that is leaking and there is a nut that you can try and tighten.

If this doesn't work you will need to replace the peice of rubber or call a plumber to do it.
 

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RE: Gary-
Don't you just HATE it when people tell you what you already know -- but didn't want to hear/admit. :(
Of course you are correct.
RE: Cass
Thank you for confirming my hope there was a third option
(well 4th - but we ruled out my sealant idea.)
In getting ready to remove the connector I noticed -
- the rubber was still soft (not dried out)
- the nuts holding the clamp were little more than hand tight
- it was set almost a quarter inch back from the PVC edge of the connection.
SO -
I loosened both straps and moved the band forward so that the edges for the metal strap were flush with the edges of the rubber --
Tightened both bands -
I've run two full tubs of water (tub feeds into this same drain) and the connection is bone dry.
Gonna lay just enough subfloor to support the toilet - hook it up and see if that pressure makes it leak.
If not -- I will consider myself home free.

If anyone sees a fault in this logic PLEASE tell me.
And thanks to you all for your patience with folks like me.
AND your wise (even if not always pleasant) advice
 
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leak

You already have a "cobbled" connection because that rubber coupling should not have been used in the first place, so if you try to "patch" it you are just compounding the problem.
 

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If your puting down subfloor the flange needs to be replaced, placing the new one on the top of the new finished floor. Don't put the subfloor around the flange.
 

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New Flange

Yep
New flange already on hand and waiting to be put on.
Was surprised at how easy the old one came off --

Shouldnt it have been solvent sealed?
In fact - at one point it apparently was -- judging from the purple stain
 

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Waxless Seal/gasket

Speaking of flange --
Just a curiosity question on a tangent -
Do any of you wizards have experience with/opinions on
"waxless" bowl seals/gaskets

I saw one by Fluidmaster -- a 2-piece affair that sealed with o-rings to the inside of the flange rather than the top.

John Stevens Corp markets a simple rubber grommet.

Seems like a GREAT concept - but I am leary.
Still planning to use wax ring -- but curious.
 

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Don't know. All I use are wax rings.

I still run into some plumbers who use plumbers putty, but for the life of me I don't know where they get the idea that it will work for any length of time.
 
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Ihave then on two of my toilets at home...no problems. I used them instead of wax because I was moving things around while remodeling, and needed to pull the toilet a couple of times...didn't want to have to clean wax off.
 

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The PVC fittings and pipe joints should have been solvent welded. You probably got away with it not being glued because it was a snug fit and there's no pressure or standing water to ooze out.
 

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Flange seal failure

Well - whatever they did
(unless it has been leaking all along and I didn't know it)
The old seal was better than the one I just did.

When I removed the old flange - the surface of the drain rim was rough
(I assumed from the previous seal)
I sanded it clean as I could with 100 grit -- then primed and glued the drain and flange let them set - then put toilet on -- flushed it -
You guessed it - water sprayed under the floor --
ASSUMING this is from failed seal on new flange.
Either because I did something wrong - or because the surface was still too rough for a good seal.

I had replaced the flange with one that slid over the outsid of the pipe because that was what had been there.

If I can get the replacement off without doing damage to the pipe (any suggestions as to how -- most welcome) I thought I would try a flange that fit and sealed INSIDE the pipe where it is smoother.

If I can't get the replacement flange off without damaging the pipe rim -
Can I just square it off -- leaving the base 'band' of the flange around the pipe and install the new flange -- since it will seal INSIDE?

Have also considered just leaving this flange on - and going with the Fluidmaster 'waxless' bowl seal - that essentially lines the pipe and seals to the inside with o-rings.

ANY thoughts on any of these ideas -- or suggestions for alternatives - will be most welcome.

Havent really messed with plumbing in several years -- now I remember why.
You guys earn every cent you make.
 

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Success

As of 1am I have a functioning and non-leaking toilet.
The rubber connector mentioned earlier - the one I retightened between the toilet drain and the main line -- held fine.
The flange I replaced - for the second time -- held fine.
Not sure what I did wrong the first time -
Maybe didn't let the solvent cure or someting .
This time I let it set for 2 hours before even installing the toilet -
Seal is fine from all I can tell.
layed the subfloor panels back down
If all is still dry Sunday -- will FINALLY be ready to lay floor and tile

Thanks again for your help and suggestions
 
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