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    I'm trying to decide whether to raise the shower head height in a tub surround. The current height is 5'10" off the subfloor, and the ceiling height off the subfloor is 7'2". I thought about installing a handheld on a slide bar and just leaving the shower head where it stands. Any thoughts?
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    I like to not have to duck to rinse my hair with the shower, so for me, having it higher is a very nice feature, but the further it falls, the more it cools off, too; so, shorter people do not need it 'way up there' - adjustability is nice. I ended up with a unit similar to what you have shown, and find it nice. It also makes cleaning the shower/tub easier since you can get the head closer and exactly where you want it. It does take it a few seconds for any changes in temperature to get through all of the hose, and initially to warm it up, but that's not a huge issue, just a point of interest.
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    I'd raise the drop ear in the wall for the shower arm to 80 - 82" or so. The slide bar can be mounted so the handshower will top out up around there as well. If there's a bench in the shower, consider a separate handshower hook/mount reachable from sitting on the bench. Moen makes hooks/mounts that match that specific handshower.
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    Thanks for the feedback. I'm leaning towards both raising the ear drop and installing the handheld on the slide bar. I plan on installing DensArmor on the ceiling, so I'm not that concerned about moisture issues.

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    Even though you don't need it now, consider screw and glue some pieces of 4x4, or other suitable wood, to the studs to serve as screw/lagbolt attachment places for a grab bar in the future. Keep a picture before you close the walls.

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    The plumbing outfit I worked for in the 70's installed all of their shower heads at 70" off the rough floor.
    The owner was 5'-6"
    I've been hearing how short those showerhead locations were ever since. I like somewhere between 75" and 80"
    If you have a shower bar, then I sometimes location the wall outlet lower in case somebody wants to use the length of the handheld and move it around a bit. Maybe you have a seat in there, and want to use the handheld sitting down.







    The lower outlet is for a tub spout; used to fill a bucket.



    Opposite is the bench.

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    I install mine at 75" above the floor.
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    I'd planned on about 76". I read something about coordinating the tile layout with the plumbing rough-in, but I didn't quite grasp everything. Can someone provide a brief explanation and/or pics? FWIW, I've chosen a 12"x24" tile. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by diydude View Post
    I'd planned on about 76". I read something about coordinating the tile layout with the plumbing rough-in, but I didn't quite grasp everything. Can someone provide a brief explanation and/or pics? FWIW, I've chosen a 12"x24" tile. Thanks
    Sometimes, if we know the tile layout, we can put the plumbing on the seams, or between the tiles.
    So much of that is personal taste; how you layout the tile to the plumbing.

    For tub spouts, I like to know the tile size first. Sometimes it was on the grout line, sometimes centered on a tile.

    For a shower head, you want either 3" above tile or more, or you plane to put it in the field.

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    Thanks,Terry. Go Hawks!

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    I'll second Terry's thought on lower may be better for the wall outlet. Especially if you're using the handheld for cleaning the tub/shower area, or if you have a child that may be sitting there you want to use the handheld, you may not have enough hose length if you place it high. The only disadvantage of having it too low is it drags on the floor, so when you pick the unit, make sure the outlet is at least 1/2 of the hose length from the floor, then you won't trip on it if it draps on the floor.
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    I'm 6' tall, and ducking under shower heads is a pet peeve of mine - so I typically like to raise em up. You can easily loose 6" - with the newer larger shower heads - from the drop ear to bottom of shower head. That said, there's no right or wrong answer and what works best for you with your specific fixtures is best.

    Regarding layout with tile. We layout the shower valve, shower head, handshower, etc... so it's works well. We layout tile so it looks good. If you can get both AND have tile or grout joints line up with the fixtures, all the better. We don't like sacrificing one for the other though.
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    Mount the bar so that you can raise the head as high as possible, then, decide where you need the outlet on the wall to give you whatever flexibility you want (the low end will still be much better for a child, if they ever get to use that shower), whether a child is in there, or a taller adult. Also, the fixture company often makes the same finish hose in various lengths...I ended up getting a longer one (I have a 6' tub) so I could use it in all corners while cleaning things up to rinse stuff off - so, whatever combination of placement, looks, and convenience works out best for you.

    Get someone to hold one end of the hose, then remove it from the mockup's holder, and then see if it will reach where you want it to, then use that as your guide. Nobody's idea of perfect will be the same - it's what works out best for you, your circumstances, and the aesthetics of it all that pleases those who must be pleased!
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    OR...install an S shape shower arm, to raise the shower head by 11".

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    Thanks for reminding me. I thought about the "S" arm as an option then I got focused on handhelds. Wow, great info here. I've noticed in several pics I've seen online that the wall outlet for the handhelds varies in height based on the user's preference. Would you or have you installed a stationary shower head along with a handheld on a slide bar? What are the pros or cons of this approach?

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