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    Default Alternative to ball valve with waste

    I'm adding some water supply shutoffs to zone a 4 unit apartment so the individual units can be serviced without shutting off water to the other units. I want to be able to drain the lines at the valve, but I don't have a lot of confidence in ball valves with waste. I've sheared a couple off opening them, so I get a bit paranoid when I see one. Any suggestions for a good alternative?

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    I think you need to explain "I've sheared a couple of them off" in more detail for us to understand your concern.

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    Cant remove them with my fingers, so I "gently" grab them with a plier to try & remove them only to have the entire nipple shear off.
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    PS: I actually sheared one off with my fingers once.

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    Put a tee and hose bibb after the valve.

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    thought about that, but not sure it's legal.

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    Hmmm. I thought I would get some responses to this. Do pex manifolds have waste drains? What's more annoying than having to cut a pipe full of water?

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    There is one company that makes a ball valve, with a ballvalve drain on the side of it, normally used for servicing a tankless water heater.
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    Yeah, I've seen those. Webstone I believe. Very spendy. Maybe I'll just forget the idea...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim mills View Post
    thought about that, but not sure [a tee and hose bibb after the valve] is legal.
    That is an odd reaction.

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    quote; thought about that, but not sure it's legal.

    Why not? It is how MOST hose bibbs are installed. You just need to have the approved vacuum breaker on the hose bibb, because someone will connect a hose some day.
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    Now all of the sudden I have a dozen hose bibs in my plumbing system. How rube Goldberg is that? I don't know about you guys, but I like to drain water lines before I work on them. Hmmm...another reason why I don't like pex manifolds with home run. Sure you can turn the water off to individual fixtures, but you can't drain the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim mills View Post
    Now all of the sudden I have a dozen hose bibs in my plumbing system. How rube Goldberg is that? I don't know about you guys, but I like to drain water lines before I work on them. Hmmm...another reason why I don't like pex manifolds with home run. Sure you can turn the water off to individual fixtures, but you can't drain the line.
    Why not use ball valves with a waste. Take the cap off before you install it and put a little plumbers grease on the threads.
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    You are probably right Tom. But almost every house in this area has non frost proof hose bibs outside with a valve with waste inside of the house that needs to be drained every winter. I have replaced countless numbers of them with frost proof spigots & have noticed that just about every one of them is corodded or stuck. Probably from neglect, but I just don't have a lot of confidence in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hj View Post
    Why not? It is how MOST hose bibbs are installed. You just need to have the approved vacuum breaker on the hose bibb, because someone will connect a hose some day.
    Are you saying a boiler drain valve would not be allowed for this application?

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    If the boiler drain is not on a boiler or hot water heater then yes it needs a vacuum breaker.
    He could install a sampling valve and then a vacuum breaker would not be required.
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    http://hardwaredistributors.com/valv...FWRk7AodIiIAHA
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