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    My son's house water is bad, its an old farmhouse. It has a new chlorinator? well pump, hot water tank and a huge wellmate "holding tank"? and an old looking softener type deal tank with a big valve on top but there is no salt tank??? It is a hydroflo devive-blue tank? Can anyone shed some light please? Thanks

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    We can not tell you what type of valve you have unless you post a pic of it. As for the media, it could be carbon, BIRM or anyone of a number of medias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billfig View Post
    My son's house water is bad, its an old farmhouse. It has a new chlorinator? well pump, hot water tank and a huge wellmate "holding tank"? and an old looking softener type deal tank with a big valve on top but there is no salt tank??? It is a hydroflo devive-blue tank? Can anyone shed some light please? Thanks
    Seems this setup is missing a salt/brine tank?
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    It's not a water softener. mialynette2003 has the idea.

    That chlorination recipe written on the tank is stronger than my Centaur Carbon. That may provide a clue as to what your media is.

    You could get that same concentration of bleach by using a weaker bleach but more of it.

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    As others have said, it is not a softener. The picture will not say what media is in it but it does beg to ask what time you took it cuz the clock on it says 4:00 AM! If you don't set the clock it will backwash at the wrong time.

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    That's an Autotrol. http://www.ewateronline.net/images/p...400_Series.pdf. With the pick of the chlorinator tank, I would say it is carbon. With that, you should have a chlorine test kit. Test the water before and then after the filter system. If you have chlorine before the system but not after, it is carbon for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mialynette2003 View Post
    That's an Autotrol...
    Can you tell which pins are pushed in? I think 1 & 4, so backwashing every 3 days. Unless there is iron or turbidity, does it make sense to backwash that often?

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the carbon removes chlorine in a chemical reaction that oxidizes the carbon surface. As such, the carbon is consumed and not regenerated by backwashing. Backwashing would actually squander some of the capacity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LLigetfa View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the carbon removes chlorine in a chemical reaction that oxidizes the carbon surface. As such, the carbon is consumed and not regenerated by backwashing. Backwashing would actually squander some of the capacity.
    OK. The carbon is not consumed. At least with the Centaur Carbon, the carbon serves as a catalyst. The backwash cleans the carbon. The backwash is at a higher flow rate than an average water softener.. I think there is some mechanical filtering by the media in addition to the catalytic reaction. My understanding is not deep, and I would like to read more on this.

    I would expect the chlorine to be mostly removed during the rinse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LLigetfa View Post
    As others have said, it is not a softener. The picture will not say what media is in it but it does beg to ask what time you took it cuz the clock on it says 4:00 AM! If you don't set the clock it will backwash at the wrong time.
    Yea I noticed that too, its like 6 hrs off...I prolly wont mess with it..I figured all water treatment needed a salt/brine tank to clean media of minerals? So is the chlorine cleaning the media? or doesnt it need cleaning? His water is very crappy, someone said there is a lot of sulfar in that area? The owner did have a plumber come in & renew the pressure tank/pump/furnace and installed that chlorine tank.when they started using the old house which was dormant and just acquired with farming land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mialynette2003 View Post
    That's an Autotrol. http://www.ewateronline.net/images/p...400_Series.pdf. With the pick of the chlorinator tank, I would say it is carbon. With that, you should have a chlorine test kit. Test the water before and then after the filter system. If you have chlorine before the system but not after, it is carbon for sure.
    Thanks! At least now we can "control it" haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by LLigetfa View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the carbon removes chlorine in a chemical reaction that oxidizes the carbon surface. As such, the carbon is consumed and not regenerated by backwashing. Backwashing would actually squander some of the capacity.
    I've always said the same thing because I was taught that way. I don't know the real difference with Centaur or coconut shell carbon other than they both work great at cleaning the water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LLigetfa View Post
    Can you tell which pins are pushed in? I think 1 & 4, so backwashing every 3 days. Unless there is iron or turbidity, does it make sense to backwash that often?
    Can't tell which pins are pushed in. You would have to know what the chlorine is combating to know how often to backwash.

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    So is the chlorine in tank used to "clean" the media of minerals instead of a salt brine tank?

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    No. Chlorine is used to kill bacteria or oxidize iron and sulfur. Carbon will remove the oxidized iron, sulfur and chlorine in the water. Carbon does not remove minerals. It removes chemical and/or odors.

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