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    I'm in the market for a new, 'comfort height' elongated bowl, 1.3 gallon per flush or better toilet for a cottage I just bought. Water supply is intermittent as the cottage is off-grid, so I currently fire up the generator to run the jet pump with lake-intake water (this will be resolved with a solar system in coming years).

    Currently, there is a massive old 3 gallon / 13 liter flush toilet in the cottage. Round bowl, standard height, cushy seat - nothing right about it whatsoever. So out it goes. It's amazing to me nobody has gone down and spent $100 on a basic more efficient toilet in the last 20 years its been there.

    Anyhow, clearly I'd like to use less water, so I get more flushes per pump-run, through the night etc. I'd also want an elongated bowl and the 16"+ height.

    I have two Kohler Bancroft units in the house now, which were chosen for their style/match sinks etc. They're nice enough, but I think I'd like to try out the TOTO line for the cottage. Only one toilet there, so it has to work!

    In my searching, I stumbled across the Entrada model. I can get it locally for $200 including the soft-close seat. Universal height, elongated bowl, E-Max flushing system, 1.28 gallon per flush.... everything I need. It's 1/2 the price of the best I can seem to find for a Drake II in Toronto.

    Can't find any mention of it on the forum here, and very little info online. Thoughts?

    http://www.totousa.com/ProductDetail...productid=1271

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    You don't see much on it because it's a new model.

    The street price you quote is a nudge less than the regular Original Drake. Looks like they're positioning this one as the entry-level (better-than-builder-grade) E-Max toilet with included Universal Height and moving the original Drake upscale about $50 by giving it the optional new tank.

    This model has a greater than 1000 MAP rating, a 3" flush valve, a good-looking trapway (the real EMax flush), and should perform quite well.

    You might also consider the original Drake CST744EL if you want that universal (ADA) height.

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    It's a new model from TOTO.
    I don't even see pricing on the TOTO site. The spec sheet does show the trapway I like.
    I don't think you can miss at that price.

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    I swung out and picked one up. Like you say, it's hard to argue with the toilet / seat combo for $199. Even walking into the showroom the 'special' price on the floor model was $350 so I'm not sure why they posted it online for $199. But it got me into the shop. Even the people at the counter were a little surprised at the price.

    In Canada I haven't found the Drake for anything under $400 or so. I'm happy with this - looking forward to installing it this weekend.

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    I think we're going to need pictures of it.
    The TOTO pics are okay, but not as nice as the ones the customers take.
    A look inside the tank would be nice too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I think we're going to need pictures of it.
    The TOTO pics are okay, but not as nice as the ones the customers take.
    A look inside the tank would be nice too.
    You bet - will snap some pics when I unpack it next weekend. It's a fairly benign looking toilet from what I saw in the showroom. Not sure how much I'll like the seat. When we bought our Kohler Bancrofts the seats they came with were sharply angled in towards the bowl. Aside from the obvious 'funnel' this creates (and if you need a funnel to hit the bowl, well, it might be time for a bedpan) I've never understood this design aspect to some toilet seats.

    The soft close feature will be nice to have.

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    PS For our Canadian friends, I see that Wolseley will now carry every single item in the Toto line coast-to-coast in Canada. They apparently have 144 branches and showrooms across the country. I don't know how the prices will be, but at least they will have or be able to order any Toto product. They typically sell to contractors, plumbers, and local plumbing supply places.

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    Quick picsof tank innards which I'm sure are the main area of interest. Will check the bowl out on the weekend. Doesn't look like any surprises in here. Green E-MAX labelled doohicky and what I presume is a 3" flapper.

    Made in Chile. Plastic threaded part to attach the supply to - only mention it because one model I was considering was the Cadet Pro which apparently has metal parts.
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    Interesting. Has the new PVC flapper and a Korky fill valve. Nice looking. Chile, huh? Maybe hence the name?

    Looking forward to see your other photos as things progress. Good value!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by taysan View Post
    I swung out and picked one up. Like you say, it's hard to argue with the toilet / seat combo for $199. Even walking into the showroom the 'special' price on the floor model was $350 so I'm not sure why they posted it online for $199. But it got me into the shop. Even the people at the counter were a little surprised at the price.

    In Canada I haven't found the Drake for anything under $400 or so. I'm happy with this - looking forward to installing it this weekend.
    Can you tell me where you bought yours? Dealer in Newmarket wants $259 - $60 on a $200 toilet is a huge difference. I am on the fence between this toilet or the Drake / Drake II. Before I researched this much on toilets I had an American Standard Champion 4 installed and it has worked great, with no issues at all and almost no "stains" left that require the brush. I am concerned with the Toto's that they appear to need more brushing than the Champions. Comments?

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    For those that are looking, I believe the difference is whether a seat is included or not. The toilet sells at $199 in Canada without the seat.

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    Hi gentlemen/ladies, just registered on this site today. A question for Taysan specifically and anyone else who might have input: Aren't you concerned about the non insulated tank on the Toto Entrada? It gets pretty muggy, both here in Toronto and probably at your cottage too, during the summer months. Won't sweating be a problem OR will the low flow flush alleviate that concern?

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    It gets pretty muggy, both here in Toronto and probably at your cottage too, during the summer months. Won't sweating be a problem OR will the low flow flush alleviate that concern?
    Since you are only flushing a small portion from the tank, it shouldn't be an issue.
    If you flush multiple times quickly and drain the tank down, then maybe so with very cold incoming water and a muggy location.
    Sweating can occur in any toilet if the flapper seal is leaking, causing new incoming cold to keep entering the tank.

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    I'm just curious. I see from the picture that the overflow in the tank is rather short, indicating that the water level won't be nearly as high as it could be, judging by the height of the tank. Some of the early low-volume flushers had extra tall tanks with a high water level to gain the head pressure necessary for a good flush. Obviously Toto has worked out the design to provide a good flush without the additional head pressure. So the questions would be: why not a shorter tank? tradition? comfort? Alternatively, if you kept the same tank but took advantage of the extra height and associated head pressure, would it be possible to alter the design for a good flush with less water?

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