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    Default Need 10" RI, preferably round w "taller" seat

    I have a small 4x8 bathroom with toilet positioned in between vanity and shower. I only have a 10" RI, changing it to 12" is not an option at this point as we're on a concrete slab and have recently re-tiled the floor. Everyone I talk to says TOTO cyclone or g-max is the way to go and that seems to be confirmed on this forum. I need/want a round toilet, not because its what I prefer but I just don't have room for an elongonated one, that 2" or so depth difference makes a huge difference in this small space. Oh, and did I mention that my wife wants a "taller" seat that will be more accommodating as we (continue to) age, currently 63 & 59. I haven't found a TOTO that matches up with all of this. Interested in what mfgs/models you would suggest. Thanks.

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    CST744SF.10 http://www.totousa.com/Portals/0/Pro...ST744SF.10.pdf It's only 28" long, even though elongated. The round is 1-5/8" shorter, but not available in ADA height on 10".

    Toto Vespin II -- CST474CEFG plus 10" unifit adapter. http://www.totousa.com/Portals/0/Pro...ST474CEF_G.pdf But it is 28-5/16" long.

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    Taller usually coincides with ADA, and an ADA toilet requires elongated. Unless it's a door swing issue, your butt is in the same place on either a round or an elongated toilet, so your knees aren't further into the room. IOW, it's hard to find a taller toilet that isn't elongated.
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    Thanks for the quick input. Door swing and shower access are the reason I'm leaning towards round toilet. Looks like the taller feature will just have to be sacrificed. That said any suggestions for tound 10"?

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    Yeah, you're just not going to get a 10" rough-in toilet from Toto with a round bowl. The original Drake and the original Ultramax and the Promenade are the three I can think of that come with a round bowl, and neither will go on 10". The real issue for you should be "how far does the toilet protrude into the room?", not bowl shape per-se. If you can live with 28" in toilet length plus 3/4 to 1-1/8" behind the toilet (so 28-3/4 to 29-1/8), then go with the elongated Drake. You will be sitting in the same place on the toilet as with the round, you just have a little more toilet in front of you -- if that makes a difference in your thinking.

    One other thought: The Aquia dual-flush CST412MF.10 -- universal height, ten inch rough-in, yeah it's "elongated", but it's only 27.5" long and extends only 3/4" behind the toilet so your in-room distance should be 28.25.
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    American Standard does make a tall bowl with 10" rough in round.

    http://www.americanstandard-us.com/a...Sheet_5657.pdf

    215BB.104

    http://www.americanstandard-us.com/t...n-Toilet-5657/

    There aren't a lot of tall and round 10" choices, but there are some you can find.

    And Kohler has a comfort height round bowl in the Cimarron.

    K-3851

    http://www.us.kohler.com/us/Cimarron...uestid=174302#

    http://www.us.kohler.com/webassets/k.../1184500_4.pdf
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    Wow. This is a timely discussion. We, too, are in search of a round bowl (because of a small bathroom) with the comfort height. It's good to know that there are some choices out there. We also have issues with clogging so am interested in how well these American Standard and Kohler flush.

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    Have you read any of Terry's reviews on his commercial site? A good place to start. AS can be okay, their QC has been spotty. Kohler is one of those NIH places, and sometimes uses weird wear parts making a repair a time consuming thing, waiting on parts since they aren't stocked as often. On many of the Kohler toilets' trapways, you'll see that it makes a nearly 90-degree bend as it goes into the drain. Depending on what you're flushing, it might work fine, but things don't like to go around 90-degree bends as easily as they do around a nice curve.

    Take the comment to heart about the fact that your butt is in the same place on either an elongated or a round toilet; plus, they are not all created equal...sometimes, there's very little difference in distance from the wall between an elongated and a round toilet.
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    With a standard 12" rough, I often sell the TOTO Promenade. CST423
    12" rough, universal height and round bowl.
    http://terrylove.biz/toilets/43-prom...wl-16-gpf.html
    Last edited by Terry; 01-28-2014 at 05:45 PM.

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    If you aren't burdened with a 10" rough-in like the forum participant who started this thread, and instead have a standard 12" rough-in on which to mount your toilet, then Terry's recommendation is your move. What made the issue for the original participant extra-tough was that 10" rough-in he had.

    The Toto that Terry recommends is just going to have the best quality, the simplest replacement parts, and the best flush of the group. Also, if you're in Seattle, you know who to buy it from and who to have install it -- Terry. Lucky dog that you live near him!

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    Thanks all of you - this was super helpful!

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    Smile Follow up and Thanks!

    [QUOTE=wjcandee;388534]If you aren't burdened with a 10" rough-in like the forum participant who started this thread, and instead have a standard 12" rough-in on which to mount your toilet, then Terry's recommendation is your move. What made the issue for the original participant extra-tough was that 10" rough-in he had.


    Thought I'd provide the forum some feedback on what I ended up doing - Bought the American Standard Cadet Pro (1.28 gpf) that was one of the two models Terry recommended. A local plumbing supply house had it in stock and extended me a nice discount, in large part because I called asking for a specific model. Supply house pulls every toilet out of box and inspects content, with you, right at their shop to avoid any "installation surprises". My first thought was, man this is inconvient, I just wanted out of there so that I could get it installed! Later on, I got to thinking about it and have decided that they'll get all of my future business as well as many referrals, because they took the time to do that inspection - there'd have been a lot of wasted downtime if something had been found back at the house...

    Three weeks and counting, no flush issues of any kind. So far, handles everything I, or my son, "feed" it, works just as good as the older Gerber/Sloan Flushmate (1.6 gpf) in the other bathroom only (much) quieter and uses less water!

    Terry - Great site, very helpful and informative coupled with excellent service, Thank you for your insight and guidance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dca View Post
    A local plumbing supply house had it in stock and extended me a nice discount, in large part because I called asking for a specific model. Supply house pulls every toilet out of box and inspects content, with you, right at their shop to avoid any "installation surprises". My first thought was, man this is inconvenient, I just wanted out of there so that I could get it installed! Later on, I got to thinking about it and have decided that they'll get all of my future business as well as many referrals, because they took the time to do that inspection - there'd have been a lot of wasted downtime if something had been found back at the house...

    You hit the nail on the head with this observation. Very good of them to do that, especially as AS quality control has been uneven. Good that you got it at a good price as well. We always recommend calling about a specific model so you can compare apples to apples on price, and because the vendor can evaluate your inquiry in light of the possibility of making a cash sale of that specific thing today. (i.e. turning inventory into cash today, something that may be important on a given day).

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