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re: 1.6 gps vs Sanagloss - need help
Anybody? I've got plumbers working on quotes for both the 1.6 GPS and the 1.28 GPS and would like to consider your knowledgeable feedback before pull'n da trigga! I'd really appreciate it.
Wired
Last edited by wired711; 09-30-2009 at 08:28 AM. Reason: Add subject
I don't have an answer for you as I don't have a comparison. I'm waiting for the truck that has my EcoDrake with sanagloss to come in. Get this: my Toto is stuck in Kansas...oh the irony. "I'll get you my pretty and your little dog too!"
My understanding is that the flapper on the Eco (1.28 gpf) can be modified to turn the toilet back into 1.6 gpf Drake if needed. That's my back up plan and why I decided to give this a go. If it works as intended I plan to buy two more.
RWB,
Thanks for the reply. Yeah, in doing some more poking around the boards, I did find some discussion about being able to modify the 1.28 flapper to still get a 1.6 flush if the 1.28 GPF wasn't working out. Also, I read that you could also hold down the handle a little more which some said empties the whole tank (rather than 1/2 the tank) and gets more of a flush like a 1.6. Don't know if that one is true or not but at least the flapper thing does give me a remediation plan if I find that 1.6 GPF isn't doing the job.
Please do let me know whow things work out for you once it is installed and hopefully the great OZ or anybody else "behind the curtain" can help move that Eco Drake outa Kansas for you. If not, you might try clicking your heels together.
Wired
The 1.28 works fine.
I have one in the master.
If you hold the handle down, it's more like flushing with 3 gallons.
The Sanagloss is nice.
In the Seattle area, I'm bringing in some 10" Toto Drake toilets.
They only need 9-1/4" to install.
CST744EF.10 or CST744SF.10
Comfort height, elongated bowl with either the 1.28 gallon Watersense Eco Flush
or the 1.6 gallon G-Max flush.
http://www.terrylove.com/pdf/cst744ef.10.pdf
Last edited by Terry; 09-30-2009 at 05:09 PM.
Thank you for the reply Terry. Would you mind quantifying just a bit specific to the questions I posted? This would help a lot. Thanks again!Originally Posted by Terry
1. Are you finding that the Sanagloss really does make a positive difference?
2. Do you think (from personal experience or otherwise) that the 1.6 GPF Drakes perform better than the 1.28 GPF Drakes?
3. Does anybody know if the 1.6 Drakes with Sanagloss ARE available in bone but I've somehow missed it?
I have the Soiree with Sanagloss and for cleaning i find a big difference (positive)
1.6gpf has a map test of 900 and the 1.28 has a map test of 600, so yes it does flush less, but 600 is a great performance.2. Do you think (from personal experience or otherwise) that the 1.6 GPF Drakes perform better than the 1.28 GPF Drakes?
Would you notice a difference, no you wouldn't.
Sanagloss is only available in White and only #01 Cotton White3. Does anybody know if the 1.6 Drakes with Sanagloss ARE available in bone but I've somehow missed it?
Peanut9199,
Thank you for addressing each of my questions. I really do appreciate it. I think we will go with the 1.28 gpf, Sanagloss, Comfort Height in Elongated / Bone (to match color/style of what we have now in powder room). For upstairs (master & hallway) still deciding if we'll go with 1.28 or 1.6 gpf since those are white anyway so I could get Sanagloss in either gpf. I'm leaning toward the 1.28 at this point given the feedback I've gotten since I could always "apply" more water to the flush if I wanted to (flapper mod or just hold handle down longer). It seems that in most cases it sounds like the 1.28 will seem to do the job anyway. Thanks again to you and everyone with their helpful replies.
Wired
You cannot get the Sanagloss in Bone.
I knew I couldn't get 1.6 Sanagloss in bone but I thought I saw the 1.28 gpf + Sanagloss was available in multiple color choices including bone. I guess I'll have to double-check that. Thanks for the reply.
The bowls are both 1.28 and 1.6gpf the difference is the tank that what makes it either 1.28 or 1.6 as in ST743E (1.28) or ST743S (1.6).
The bowls are C744EG "E" is actually classed as 1.28 and the "G" is the Sanagloss.
Although it is classed as 1.28 it will also take 1.6gpf.
It doesn't matter if you add more water to the bowl, but it wouldn't work if the bowl was designed for 1.6 and you try to put 1.28 in there wouldn't be enough water in the tank to get rid of the water in the bowl.
Hope that's makes sense.
Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense and I realize now that it's not gonna be Sanagloss that makes me decide on 1.6gpf vs 1.28gpf since I the bone color doesn't exist for Sanagloss regardless. Thanks again!
Last edited by wired711; 10-01-2009 at 12:41 PM.
The Drake II can be gotten with Sanagloss and Bone.
CST454CEFG-03
Otherwise, you would be looking at the Vespin CST764SG-03
Bone with Sanagloss
Basically a deluxe Drake
Is the Drake II the name for the Drakes that are 1.28 gps (aka EcoDrakes)? That was my impression. I'll also check the Toto site. Thanks Terry, I'm getting dizzy between thinking I can get the Drake+Sanagloss+Bone in 1.28gpf and then thinking I can't.
Edit: OK, I've looked into it and see that Drake II has the 1.28 GPF Double Cyclone Flushing System. Looks like this may add around $30-$50 or so. Thanks.
Last edited by wired711; 10-01-2009 at 12:46 PM.
Eco-Drake is just a regular Drake with a float on top of the flapper that closes it faster allowing only 1.28 gallon of water to leave the tank.
The Drake II used to be called the "Gwyneth" and they just changed the name to Drake II.
Toto has done this often not sure if it is because the Gwyneth name was trade marked by someone else or because it was too hard to pronounce.
The Drake II is a very good toilet it has all the options that Toto gives:
Double cyclone flush (good for rim wash)
Sanagloss (good for cleaning)
Eco (1.28gpf)
Universal Height (2" taller rim, good for getting up and down easier)
Map test on it is 800grams
Last edited by Peanut9199; 10-01-2009 at 12:53 PM.
Great info Peanut. Thanks! (I'll have to check with the local supplier and also the plumber who are both working up estimates for me and see how much this change would bump up the price). I'm considering quotes from the supplier and do it myself (or provide those parts to my plumber) vs. having the plumber provide the parts/labor as a package.
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