The MS604114CEFG used to be called the Gwyneth
Now the Ultramax II,
Somewhat modern looking and non-skirted.
The Guinevere and the Soiree are skirted bowl toilets with a traditional look.
All of these have been working very well.
You've commented on the Soiree and the Guinevere. I'm thinking about installing the Toto Ultrmax II, w/SaniGloss model MS 604164 CEFG. What is your opinion of it? I called Toto and was told the Guinevere is the new name of the Ultramax II but toilets under each of these names are still being sold.
Also, one of the Guinevere toilets would periodically emit a "shrieking" noise when not being used. I fiddled with the float adjustment screw on the fill valve and it stopped the noise but it continues to do this randomly. When I started to research this problem I discovered that of the 5 toilets in the house, this is the only one that is a 1.28GPF model (Green Flush Valve w/white screw) while the others are 1.6GPF (Blue Flush Valve w/no screw). My question is, is there any difference between the 1.28 and 1.6 models besides the flush valves. Can I replace the Green valve with the blue?
Thanks - Great forum
The china is the same.
They change the fill valve to shut off a bit sooner.
And on some they weight down the flapper to drop quicker.
But, if you overfill the bowl a bit, the extra water finds it's way down the drain.
If the fill valve is making noise while idle, then you may have a leaking flapper.
Fix the flapper, and the noise will go away.
Those fill valves tend to give a little squeak when they shutoff.
Check the flapper for leaks.
The only other thing I can think of is if your water pressure is too high, the weakest point in the system will leak...it could be that flush valve can't handle that high pressure. Have you ever checked yours? You can buy a gauge at one of the big box or plumbing supply houses for about $10 with a max tattle-tale hand. Attach it and leave it on overnight and check the pressure periodically and then the max. If it exceeds 80psi anytime, you need a PRV and an expansion tank, or if you have them, one or the other is bad.
Important note - I'm not a pro
Retired Defense Industry Engineer; Schluter 2.5-day Workshop Completed 2013, 2014
Hello we are about to purchase a new toilet and have looked at the Soiree and Guinevere. My questions are:
1. Is this the right choice when water supply is in the floor?
2. Being that there is no Toto dealer in my area, would it be wise to purchase a Toto product? I worry about part supplies when problems arise.
Parts are simple for a Toto.
Most local hardware stores carry parts for them.
I notice that Korky and Fluidmaster carry replacement 3" flappers, and you can use a variety of fill valves.
You can also order factory replacements.
If your water supply is floor mounted, you would need to measure how far from center it is.
The Soiree and Guinevere have wide foot prints that go pretty close to the wall.
Thanks Terry for the reply
We have not run the supply line yet for the toilet as it is a new retrofit. Perhaps this is good...yes, no??
Also, does this toilet have a high water line. Nothing is worse that having to flush twice to clean the bowl above the water line. If not could you recommend a toilet that will flush down messes on bowl.
I have child who tends to use alot of toilet paper, we have pulled our hair out trying to teach her differently, we even have a trash bin next to the toilet for her to use for toilet paper but of course this doesn't always work and we need to unclog the toilet.
Thanks for your help
I've sold about 150 of these.
There is less water in the bowl since 1992 in the US.
So unless you find an old 80's bowl, or since you are in Canada, just an old bowl, there is going to be less water.
They do clean pretty well though, at least they keep telling me that.
Where are you in Northwestern Ontario we have dealers all over?
I am in the Fort Frances area. I really like the look of Soiree Toto toilet but I am not sure if I like the 1.28 gpf. Is it available in the 1.6 gpf in Canada?