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    DIY Member Alan Muller's Avatar
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    Default Champion, yet again

    Have read so much about these that when offered a free one, I called AS for the new flush valve, installed that, and set the toilet at a low-use location. Tank 4260, date March 2005.

    I don't see any mechanical problems but it just doesn't seem to flush consistently. Sometimes it barely seems to siphon and needs a second flush to clear the bowl. Not exactly a "champion" in performance. I looked the bowl over carefully before setting it but didn't see any problems, but I know there can be an internal defect or obstruction in the passage.

    Any suggestions?


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    Forum Admin, Expert Plumber Terry's Avatar
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    Any bowl can be restricted if something is lodged in the trapway. A clean trapway should siphon well. Sometimes we need to run an auger through, to clear them out.
    It can also be a semi-blocked siphon jet hole.

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    Retired Defense Industry Engineer jadnashua's Avatar
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    If the toilet truly only sees occasional use, some water from the bowl may be evaporating, lowering it enough so it doesn't flush well. Any time you try to start a flush when the bowl isn't full, it can result is poor performance. But, it may just be it isn't that great of a toilet. When the bowl isn't full, the first flush is weak, but the refill leaves the bowl at the 'proper' level...then, the second flush works as normal. This isn't normally a problem (assuming it is evaporation) when the toilet is used often enough so the level isn't compromised. I notice my toilets bowl level is low if I'm away for a couple of weeks or more when I return. Do not notice that at all under 'normal' circumstances when they get used on a daily basis.
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