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Thread: Kerdi Board Shower Niches - Review of Schluter System's new shower ready made niches

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    Default Kerdi Board Shower Niches - Review of Schluter System's new shower ready made niches

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    Default Sizes sold for the kerdi Board prefabricated shower niche

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    Default Kerdi Board - Opinions on this new backer board

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    I know this is an old thread, but I found it via Google after my contractor and I had a conversation about my new shower install. For whatever it's worth, I thought I'd post a few thoughts from a customer perspective. My contractor presented the Schulter System as an alternative to the traditional Durock and custom build method. After reading many articles, including this one, we elected to pass on the Schulter for several reasons.

    New technology can be great, but in many cases, it just presents additional issues and challenges. It would appear the same case could be made for this new shower system. The traditional methods have challenges, but I know the limitations and I'm willing to live with them. My original home built in 1960 by hand with traditional methods and process never leaked. Two other homes I've owned had showers built in 1952, and another built in 1987, neither of those leaked, so I'm comfortable with the traditional methods.

    One of the most concerning issues above is the lack of response from the company. If they're not calling you back, then imagine how I would feel as a customer waiting for them to call me back to fix a problem. I don't want to be waiting around for a company to call me back to help fix an issue with their product.

    Perhaps driven by 23 year old Stanford Finance MBA's looking to pinch a penny, personal voice based customer service in the US has taken a backseat to "self service" via websites, automated phone scripts and the like. It works for some products, but not others. If a company is not going to pick up the phone, or take a minute to call me (or you) back, I'm more likely to opt out. This same customer service concern applies if my call is transferred to a call center located on the other side of the earth.

    In the final analysis, I understand the challenges with the traditional tile shower and the ongoing maintenance involved. I'm just not willing to try the new thing just yet. We start the project in 2 weeks.

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    Default Kerdi Board Niche or Cement Board with Kerdi (one sucks and one is rock solid)

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    Thanks for the insight John. I have to admit I don't quite understand most of the verbiage used (niches, paper, etc. I also understand some of the issues or problems I've read about here and elsewhere could be contractor related, perhaps not experienced with the system, nor following best practices with the installation process/technique.

    That said, the contractor building my shower has been doing it for many years, and based on recommendations, we selected him. He brought up the Schluter system in conversation. In all honestly he likes it, and raved about it. But he can also build it out the traditional way. Given what I've read here, and elsewhere, I'm just more familiar and comfortable with the traditional building technique.

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    FWIW, KERDI is NOT new! It's been in the USA for something like 25-years. One Schluter rep I talked to recently said that he is near his 100,000th Kerdi shower sale, and he's just one of the reps around the country. While the Kerdiboard is a somewhat new product, similar products have been around in Europe for decades. The advantage of a surface membrane shower is that, properly done, it is entirely waterproof, and that layer is just behind the tiled surface. That means that the shower can dry out much faster when done. And, if you follow the manufacturer's recommendations, all of the materials on the 'wet' side are totally inorganic, so there's nothing that supports mold. The modifiers in a modified thinset are a synthetic laytex, which is organic - Schluter specifies a dryset mortar for several reason, and one of them is that it is inorganic. While Kerdi may be new to you, it is not to the industry or the world. At the factory in Plattsburg, NY, they have a 5M tall column filled with water and waterproofed with Kerdi and dryset mortar...the thing hasn't leaked in years and never has. You could build a tub or swimming pool with the stuff. Schluter is constantly adding new accessories and complementary products to their line to allow it to perform new functions, or to perform the old ones easier, but the basis for their product is not new. CHeck out this for some ideas...www.schluterhouse.com.
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    FWIW, the Schluter people at the factory said that there is a slope on the niches, so that may have been a running change from the first one you saw. I did not actually measure one, but did handle several. They have more models and some of the larger ones come with a precut shelf you can install where you wish.
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    Default Kerdi Board Niches have no slope - Huge Design Flaw.

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    As I said, I'm told there is a slope on the NEW ones...I do not know if they've made a running change (which I said, if you read it all). So, the one you checked may have been old stock. If it was recently delivered from the warehouse, then it may be more of an issue. If you take one, lay it flat, fill it up with water, let it sit, it is entirely waterproof, so, it's not going to leak, regardless.
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    Default How to make a Kerdi Niche with Cement Board. Step by step

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    All I'm saying is that I was told they had a slope. I did not ask if they originally did or did not. I did not measure the ones they had in the classroom as samples. WHen a new model car comes out and they make an improvement, they rarely recall it unless it is a serious defect. Your definition may differ. If it were something that could absorb moisture and saturate the structure, that is a defect. I asked the question because you indicated you did not see a slope. They do not leak. Most niches are not in direct spray, they tend to dry out on their own. If you build a little slope into the setting materials, there's little that would soak in. Much todo about little IMHO. FWIW, one of the people in the class mentioned a new bridge he saw going up (as in roads, traffic, trucks, etc.) where the foundation was big solid blocks of FOAM. They covered the outside with cement to protect it, but the total foundation was foam. So, yes, foam IS a viable foundation if it is engineered properly. It depends on the density and the area - spread the load (like in when a tile is bonded to the surface), and it is very sturdy. I posted this pic before, I think, but this is me standing on a piece of KerdiBoard, glued to the Kerdiboard sides with KerdiFix, the boards only screwed to the wall with no tiles to make it stiffer, after about 16-hours (it takes a lot longer to fully cure, and this did not have the metal reinforcement across the front). The stuff is strong, highly adaptable, easy to cut, light to carry, and you can do some amazing things with it that would take days, if possible at all, in a short time. Nothing wrong with getting your custom sized niche and making it out of whatever you wish. After the walls are up, it takes moments to prep a prebuilt niche with KerdiBoard. BTW, the new, larger ones also come with a shelf you can position where you like.
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