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    Default system Recommendations for well

    My results from water lab

    Coliform: Absent
    E.coli: Absent
    Iron bacteria: Absent
    sulfate bacteria: Absent
    Calcium: 3.2 mg/L
    Copper: 0.008 mg/L
    Iron: 1.310 mg/L
    Magnesium: 2.05 mg/L
    Manganese: 0.016 mg/L
    Silica: 18.6 mg/L
    Sodium: 3 mg/L
    Sulfate: 5.4 mg/L
    Zinc: 0.912 mg/L
    Hardness: 16 mg/L
    PH: 5.2
    TDS: 35 mg/L
    Turbidity: 9.1 NTU

    Well Info
    Date:6/12/1999
    280ft
    casing 127FT
    static 40
    yield 5GPM

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick2269 View Post
    Well Info
    Date:6/12/1999
    280ft
    casing 127FT
    static 40
    yield 5GPM
    Of concern is the 5 GPM recovery rate. You don't say what the bore hole/casing size is. Also, there is no mention of what pump you use.

    As you draw down the well during backwash/regen, your GPM and pressure may drop.

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    In order to properly backwash an iron filter, not to mention serving the demands of your home, a storage tank and pressure supply pump for the house and water treatment are most likely a prerequisite. You need to be able to provide more like 10 GPM,

    Once you have adequate flow you can backwash a manganese dioxide iron filter and address any other problems.
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    casing size 6 5/8in
    all i know about the pump is its 220V on a 30amp breaker

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    LIfespeed I guess you are saying I need a new well because I don't have a place to put a storage tank

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    The well casing and bore hole act as storage. The system designer just needs to factor that in.

    I'm surprised none of the water treatment pros have posted.

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    That would certainly be a heroic effort to address the problem. Absent other problems with your well I would not suggest that except as a last resort. However, looking at the photo of your water and plumbing, it appears that you really need to address your iron problem.

    I don't know the exact layout and location of your well/plumbing/house so can't comment on the practicalities of installation. But the reality is that in order to successfully implement a low-maintenance backwashing iron filter you need more water flow, and a storage tank is by far the most realisitic way to accomplish this. It does not need to be huge - it could be as small as 200 gallons if size is a big issue.

    I don't know what else to tell you. If you put enough constraints on what the solution looks like you will rule them all out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LLigetfa View Post
    The well casing and bore hole act as storage. The system designer just needs to factor that in.

    I'm surprised none of the water treatment pros have posted.
    I suppose if the existing well can provide 12+ GPM for 10 minutes to backwash the filter in the middle of the night that could work. Some testing would be in order to assure this is a valid assumption, especially in the summer if the water table fluctuates. I'm sure the OP does not want to end up with a setup that fails under some circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lifespeed View Post
    That would certainly be a heroic effort to address the problem. Absent other problems with your well I would not suggest that except as a last resort. However, looking at the photo of your water and plumbing, it appears that you really need to address your iron problem.

    I don't know the exact layout and location of your well/plumbing/house so can't comment on the practicalities of installation. But the reality is that in order to successfully implement a low-maintenance backwashing iron filter you need more water flow, and a storage tank is by far the most realisitic way to accomplish this. It does not need to be huge - it could be as small as 200 gallons if size is a big issue.

    I don't know what else to tell you. If you put enough constraints on what the solution looks like you will rule them all out.
    It's a mobile home so that's my space issue really no where to put stuff other that go outside

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    This a perfect application to do some pilot testing. Something as simple as a backwashing sediment filter (micro-z, turbidex, nextsand, filter-ag+) and an iron removal sytem may work fine. A couple of test filters to simulate the media would be very inexpensive and simple to do. Are you interested in experimenting first, then installing the right equipment? Looking at your filters, your turbidity is off the charts. Your TDS and hardness are minimal.

    Have you tried different micran ratings of sediment filter to see if they clear up the water? I would try a 10 micron sediment filter. If it clears it up, a simple backwashing system should do just fine.

    Give us more information as to what you are currently doing and what the end results are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ditttohead View Post
    This a perfect application to do some pilot testing. Something as simple as a backwashing sediment filter (micro-z, turbidex, nextsand, filter-ag+) and an iron removal sytem may work fine. A couple of test filters to simulate the media would be very inexpensive and simple to do. Are you interested in experimenting first, then installing the right equipment? Looking at your filters, your turbidity is off the charts. Your TDS and hardness are minimal.

    Have you tried different micran ratings of sediment filter to see if they clear up the water? I would try a 10 micron sediment filter. If it clears it up, a simple backwashing system should do just fine.

    Give us more information as to what you are currently doing and what the end results are.

    I have been trying a 2.5x10 1micron filters they last about a week, by 2 weeks water pressure drops. I have even had a few filters get crushed after 2 weeks. I guess from the water pressure trying to go in a full filter. i just added in also a 4.5x10 with a 5micron the water is much better in color. guess I might get 2 weeks with two filters but that can get expensive at $10 to $15 per filter every 2 weeks. I had a friend tell me today I could have a well casing problem as to why i am getting all this turbidity and sediment.
    I sent my water results to watersystems.com they recommended i get a backwashing sediment filter, Acid Neutralizer Filter, and MangOX Iron Filter or Hydrogen Peroxide System but the info from lifespeed is my well wont be able to handle the backwashing needs of the filter systems

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifespeed View Post
    I suppose if the existing well can provide 12+ GPM for 10 minutes to backwash the filter in the middle of the night that could work...
    Depending on how deep the pump is set, there could be as much as 350 gallons of water in reserve.

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    If the 5 micron sediment filter is doing a good job then a properly designed backwashing filter should work for you.

    A neutralizer and a iron removal system should also be done. I would recommend a different design, but the general idea is sound. PM sent.

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    I had a well contractor come run a camera down the well. I have heavy iron buildup and its braking down the casing. Every time my pump turns on pulling all stuff of the walls causing my high Turbidity and the pieces of hard sediment are actually pieces of my casing breaking up. He said the water in the vanes is clear and he could put in a heavy duty PVC liner and that would clear up the water by not letting iron buildup on the steel walls and then fine tune my water with any needed filters.

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    That is great to hear. Hopefully it will take care of the problem and very little filtration will be needed. With your permission, I may use your pictures in my training seminars.

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