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    Lightbulb Limited Money, Water and Time for a Toilet Please

    Dear Forum thank you for taking time to read this question.

    I was wondering what is the:

    • least problem prone toilet
    • that has a (very) low water usage less than 1.6 gallons per flush or high efficiency toilet, this includes the pressure assist systems
    • on the Californian link
    • reasonably priced since money is a problem budget is maximum set at $250.00
    • and available as soon as possible.

    From this forum I am interested in the Toto vs. Kohler

    Please help.

    Thank you,
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    The list above is for 1.28 gallon toilets.

    I think the TOTO Drake has an edge over the Kohler Wellworth, though both would work.

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    You can't go wrong with the Toto Drake. CST744E. It's on the list. 1.28gpf elongated regular-height. Very reliable. We have two. Call around to plumbing supply places in your yellow pages (I recommend calling 5), telling them the model number and color (cotton white is the least expensive). Ask for a quote if you bought today. Our members who do that usually find a wide variety of prices, and I have been amazed at how they usually find at least one place with really excellent prices. Just pick places from the yellow pages regardless of whether they say they carry Toto, most do or can get it quickly. Not the showroom, "Dealer", joints, but the places plumbers buy from that also sell to the public -- under Plumbing Supply in the yellow pages.

    Also, you most likely can use your old seat or almost any seat, inexpensive or more-expensive. There are some good prices out there on the Toto SS114 seat, which is nice heavy plastic. Bemis makes a good wood one for a little less money.

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    Thank you gentlemen for your generous time and advice.

    I will call around right away. Also is it normal for the wall to the toilet bolt to be about 14 inches?

    Just wondering since at Home Depot said I should measure that.

    Thank you again.

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    A normal Rough-In is 12"
    At 14", you will be 2" further away from the wall.

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    Toto has some options in 14" rough-in toilets, but they are outside of your price range. As Terry said, pretty much any toilet can fit on a 14" rough-in, but they will stick further out into the room EXCEPT for one designed specifically for this - those skirted Totos that use the UniFit adapter. Those all sit the same distance from the wall when used with the appropriate adapter, regardless of whether it is a 10, 12, or 14" rough-in.
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    As Jim just pointed out, the options for a Toto with the UniFit adapter would work very well for you. However, they do cost more than your budget. What is really compounding your problem is the 14" rough-in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Swart View Post
    As Jim just pointed out, the options for a Toto with the UniFit adapter would work very well for you. However, they do cost more than your budget. What is really compounding your problem is the 14" rough-in.
    The present one is an inch or so from the wall.

    As long as it works and can close the door.

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    The most common toilets sold in the USA are designed to fit on a 12" rough-in. While there is no standard wall clearance, it can vary from maybe around 0.5" to almost 2". If you use a standard 12" rough-in toilet on a 14" rough-in, whatever gap there is shown on the spec sheet, add 2" to it. It sounds like you have a 14" rough-in toilet on your 14" rough-in. Most (not all) toilets are really a 12" rough-in with an extra thick tank to take up some of the room behind. Therefore, they stick out into the room that extra 2". The only ones that are 'adjustable' (well, there may be one other) and use exactly the same toilet for 10, 12 or 14" rough-ins is Toto models that use the UniFit adapter (and no, it does not work on other brands, or even other Toto toilets). If you could spring for the extra cash on one of those, you'd gain probably a couple of inches clearance in the front. Probably the least expensive one that does that is the VespinII (a 1.28g flush). If you check Terry's website, it will give you an idea of a fair street price on the thing...list is a lot more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProfStudent View Post
    As long as it works and can close the door.
    Are you within a couple inches of that being a problem with the current toilet?

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    I don't think so?
    I guess I have to get the toilet in and see.

    The present cheapy oval bowl is 2 inches from the wall.

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    I'd pick the Western Pottery B872 Bowl with the T8ULFHET Tank. Available for less than half your budget. Great flusher. I have two.

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    Well ProfStudent, it really depends actually! The 2 toilets I recommend are the Kohler Cimarron and TOTO Drake. They are both great toilets but I do not recommend buying from a big box home improvement store. Always stick to the plumbing stores where there is likely to be a better product for your money. If you want a 1.28 gallon per flush toilet, the Cimarron and the Drake come in a 1.28 package. Although the 1.28 version of the drake is the Eco Drake. Also there is a TOTO Drake II with a little newer design and a little newer flush system which is called Double Cyclone. The regular drake comes with a G-MAX or E-MAX flush system. The cimarron can come with class 5 or class 6. One thing about class 6 is, i only comes in an elongated bowl, and less and less are being made because they made class 6 because of the bowl wash issues on the class 5 but since the class 5 improved majorly since 2011, they are starting to use class 5 more. If you have anymore questions, feel free to ask!
    If you need to go with a new toilet, go with a TOTO!

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    Inexpensive and frugal alternative: Home Depot's own brand (Glacier Bay). 1 gal flush toilet for less than $90.

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    I purchased the Toto and how would it best be installed please?

    Thank you again for your help.

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