Reply With QuoteIf you are gutting it, then they will undoubtedly require a lot of things to be brought up to code.....GFI receptacle, ventilation, and scald-protected shower valve.
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Beginning bathroom remodel
I'm in Minneapoils, and I'm gutting the master bath. I intended to get a permit. Several years ago I remodeled the kitchen (with permits) and everything went well. I grew up in a home that owned a HVAC wholesaler - so I'm comfortable with soldering / wiring / etc.
I intend to remove some cast iron sewer line - and I'm going to have a plumber friend help me with that.
Are there any kind codes that I should be particularlly aware of? (Besides good workmanship and common sense engineering)
If you are gutting it, then they will undoubtedly require a lot of things to be brought up to code.....GFI receptacle, ventilation, and scald-protected shower valve.
CI is still the Cadillac of drain systems...swapping it to pvc is certainly cheaper and easier, but keep in mind two big things: CI is much quieter - you may hear things draining after that you don't now, PVC expands and contracts a fair amount with temperature changes (as hot drain water goes down, and then again after it stops and things cool off). If the pipe isn't managed well, that movement can cause squeaks as it rubs on things.
Jim DeBruycker
Important note - I'm not a pro
Retired Defense Industry Engineer
Here's what I am planning to use:
It already has it's own 20 amp circuit - just for an outlet.
I'm installing a new alcove bathtub, Toto toilet, sink, exhaust fan, light in alcove (damp rated), heated floor with GFCI thermostat, thermostatic Grohe valve, Low-E window.
I have other Grohe faucets in my home. The iBox looks really neat. Have you ever used it?
Also I was going to install a Toto wall mounted toilet. Have you ever seen one of these?
There are plenty of things to know in regards to what fittings are used for what purpose in a DVW system, and how to properly install the drains and vents. I suggest that you draw an accurate isometric diagram of your proposed DVW system and post it here so that the plumbers can give you advice before you submit the drawing for your permit.
There is a helpful publication available from Bert Polk, a residential plumbing inspector available here-
http://www.co.lincoln.or.us/planning...mbingguide.pdf
Jim, this is the third or fourth time you have responded to me (on different internet forums) with useless information. I really believe your responses are show stoppers - in that you dilute the discussion with obvious information, and it causes more qualified responders from answering.Originally Posted by jadnashua
I too worked for the DoD, and I'm an engineer and a programmer, and the grandson of a man who owned an HVAC wholesaler. Yeah, I know what I'm doing, but I'm not a professional plumber or tile setter, or electrician, although I can get the job done. The reason I came to this forum is for some professional advice.
Responses such as: "There are many bath tubs" ... duh, yeah, most of us know that.
Please, please, if you see a post by 'Doug' or 'Doug B' in the next six months - just don't answer it.
I don't intend this to be rude, but someone needs to tell you that you are being overbearing, and useless noise.
What does "I intendED to get a permit" mean? You decided not to? If you get a permit, the code enforcers will answer all your questions, or rather you will answer theirs, before you get the permit. "Doug B, from Minneapolis" tells us NOTHING about your abilities or experience, and working at an HVAC suppliers SELDOM gives a person a background in plumbing. We will answer any postings we want to, if the question warrants a reply. It is up to you whether you read it or not, but since this is NOT a private communication, the answers could benefit other readers, which is the purpose of a FORUM.
Last edited by hj; 01-18-2013 at 06:09 AM.
Licensed residential and commercial plumber
I didn't write I=intendED you wrote intended.
Intend is a verb meaning a future date.
Being and engineer and knowing HVAC doesn't give me a background in plumbing? You gotta be kidding.
I'll tell you what you don't do well: You don't read / comprehend what's been said. Or perhaps you chose to ignore it, because you want to control the communication.
I came here because I appreciate knowledge and pratical experience. I think you responed to me in the way you did because you think I offended Jim DeBruycker, who offers nothing but noise and BS.
Let's be gentlemen about this. I don't need an attitude like you've given me.
Last edited by DougB; 01-18-2013 at 07:47 AM.
Being associated with programming and computers, you know what GIGO is...I'm seeing some of that here.
As to the post on CI, more than one person did what you are planning, then came back here asking how to make it quiet again. Thus, my comment on the fact that CI IS and probably always will be quieter than PVC or ABS, and in designing things, substituting plastic may lead to other issues.
Related to one of your other posts...there are two general classes of tub types: drop-in and tile-in. A drop in can be usd as a tile-in, but if a tile-in version is available and that's what you want, that is by far the better choice. A drop in is designed specifically for dropping into a platform...it could be a soaking tub, one with jets (Jacuzzi is one brand...and the only place you can buy a Jacuzzi BTW), or air jets, or all three and may or may not be a great choice if you want a shower also. There are millions of tile-in tubs in an alcove - these tend to have a built-in skirt or apron, but not all, and on some, it is optional (say you wanted to tile that face). Using a drop-in tub in an alcove and using it as a shower requires a lot of extra work and optional parts to perform the water containment.
There are millions of tile-in tubs around, the fact you couldn't find any is an indication of your search abilities and strange for a computer programmer
Calling people names is not going to get you great responses...
Clear questions are. Just the highlights won't get you the knowledge of someone like HJ, who has been plumbing probably longer than you've been alive. There's reasons people go to school or apprentice to learn a trade, trying to get the Cliff's Notes version is often open for error.
Good luck with your project. Check your attitude. What do you want for free.
Jim DeBruycker
Important note - I'm not a pro
Retired Defense Industry Engineer
You said intended. Intended /= intend. I understand this was probably a typo, but you should read what you said before going off on hj. hj read what you said and it looks like you were skipping the permit process.
You have been provided good info for what you specifically asked. The simple answer is "all of them" when you ask about the codes. If you ask something specific or provide a layout and ask if it meets code, we can answer. Otherwise, your question is open-ended.
Well Duh you don't seem to learn or listen. I know there are millions of tubs, I can find millions of tubs. I asked for specifics - out of those millions of tubs there are a few that common ordinary people buy - I've found the answers else where.
I didn't call you a name. I said that your responses are mostly useless, and diffuse a discussion with your dubious opinions. Honestly, I was offended when you responed to me on the John Bridge forum. I thought: "is this guy some sort of nut who wants to interject his opinion all over the internet?" As someone with 18,000+ posts on this forum, and you're not a professional plumber - I guess you don't have a life.
For you to leave me alone, and not to respond to my posts - this is what I asked you to do in my last response to you.
HVAC companies don't do soft solder, packed lead joints, pressurized water piping, design drain arrangements. No offense. I am sure you have the necessary talent, but you are welcome to come here to add to your knowledge.
And related to a post I made in a different thread, ENGINEERS designed the modified steam generator tubing for the San Onofre NGS, and that resulted in radiation leakage and quite possibly neither unit 2 or unit 3 will EVER be granted permission to restart. Do we hold engineers in high regard around here in S. Calif, with the threat of brown-outs hanging over our head for a year due to SONGS shut down all that time??? You decide.
The choice between CI and plastic is a reasonable subject for discussion, because the choice needs to be made early on.
Your statements towards Jim sound a "little" rough Doug. Jim's comments may be of interest to others reading this thread, even if they do not interest you. As HJ said, you do not have to read anything here that you do not want to. It is not necessary to be offensive here, and it will get you nowhere from the pros. Jim is not a plumbing pro either.
My 2 cents. Jim has been helpful to many here including myself, providing info sometimes that I myself may have forgotten to ask up front, but would have eventually anyway.
I am definitely not a pro plumber, but I am a pro crastinator
Having a degree in engineering doesn't make anyone infallible - but there are those trades people who actually pick on engineers - out of jealously.
Does anyone really use CI anymore? Maybe a government office building? There are so many advanages to plastic: cost, ease of cutting, installation, labor, space requirements, not to mention that's it's smooth inside.
I'm starting this bath remodel project, and I thought I would gather data in advance. What really freaked me out is that I made posts on other forums (asking different questions) and Jim responded to me on the other forums. As I said, his responses, IMO, were useless, and I felt he was a 'spoiler'. I'm not an "in your face guy" - but someone gotta tell this guy he is being overbearing just by his frequency and the generality of his responses.
YES cast iron is commonly used.....not as widely as plastic because of the price point in new contstruction tract homes, which is the bulk of the market. But high end homes, multi-story , etc...yes.
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