Beginning bathroom remodel

**DougB** · 01-17-2013, 01:18 PM

I'm in Minneapoils, and I'm gutting the master bath. I intended to get a permit. Several years ago I remodeled the kitchen (with permits) and everything went well. I grew up in a home that owned a HVAC wholesaler - so I'm comfortable with soldering / wiring / etc.

I intend to remove some cast iron sewer line - and I'm going to have a plumber friend help me with that.

Are there any kind codes that I should be particularlly aware of? (Besides good workmanship and common sense engineering)

**jimbo** · 01-17-2013, 03:59 PM

If you are gutting it, then they will undoubtedly require a lot of things to be brought up to code.....GFI receptacle, ventilation, and scald-protected shower valve.

**jadnashua** · 01-17-2013, 05:52 PM

CI is still the Cadillac of drain systems...swapping it to pvc is certainly cheaper and easier, but keep in mind two big things: CI is much quieter - you may hear things draining after that you don't now, PVC expands and contracts a fair amount with temperature changes (as hot drain water goes down, and then again after it stops and things cool off). If the pipe isn't managed well, that movement can cause squeaks as it rubs on things.

**cacher_chick** · 01-17-2013, 06:54 PM

There are plenty of things to know in regards to what fittings are used for what purpose in a DVW system, and how to properly install the drains and vents. I suggest that you draw an accurate isometric diagram of your proposed DVW system and post it here so that the plumbers can give you advice before you submit the drawing for your permit.

There is a helpful publication available from Bert Polk, a residential plumbing inspector available here-
http://www.co.lincoln.or.us/planning...mbingguide.pdf

**DougB** · 01-17-2013, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by jadnashua

CI is still the Cadillac of drain systems...swapping it to pvc is certainly cheaper and easier, but keep in mind two big things: CI is much quieter - you may hear things draining after that you don't now, PVC expands and contracts a fair amount with temperature changes (as hot drain water goes down, and then again after it stops and things cool off). If the pipe isn't managed well, that movement can cause squeaks as it rubs on things.

Jim, this is the third or fourth time you have responded to me (on different internet forums) with useless information. I really believe your responses are show stoppers - in that you dilute the discussion with obvious information, and it causes more qualified responders from answering.

I too worked for the DoD, and I'm an engineer and a programmer, and the grandson of a man who owned an HVAC wholesaler. Yeah, I know what I'm doing, but I'm not a professional plumber or tile setter, or electrician, although I can get the job done. The reason I came to this forum is for some professional advice.

Responses such as: "There are many bath tubs" ... duh, yeah, most of us know that.

Please, please, if you see a post by 'Doug' or 'Doug B' in the next six months - just don't answer it.

I don't intend this to be rude, but someone needs to tell you that you are being overbearing, and useless noise.

hj · 01-18-2013, 06:06 AM

What does "I intendED to get a permit" mean? You decided not to? If you get a permit, the code enforcers will answer all your questions, or rather you will answer theirs, before you get the permit. "Doug B, from Minneapolis" tells us NOTHING about your abilities or experience, and working at an HVAC suppliers SELDOM gives a person a background in plumbing. We will answer any postings we want to, if the question warrants a reply. It is up to you whether you read it or not, but since this is NOT a private communication, the answers could benefit other readers, which is the purpose of a FORUM.

**DougB** · 01-18-2013, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by hj

What does "I intendED to get a permit" mean? You decided not to? If you get a permit, the code enforcers will answer all your questions, or rather you will answer theirs, before you get the permit. "Doug B, from Minneapolis" tells us NOTHING about your abilities or experience, and working at an HVAC suppliers SELDOM gives a person a background in plumbing. We will answer any postings we want to, if the question warrants a reply. It is up to you whether you read it or not, but since this is NOT a private communication, the answers could benefit other readers, which is the purpose of a FORUM.

I didn't write I=intendED you wrote intended.

Intend is a verb meaning a future date.

Being and engineer and knowing HVAC doesn't give me a background in plumbing? You gotta be kidding.

I'll tell you what you don't do well: You don't read / comprehend what's been said. Or perhaps you chose to ignore it, because you want to control the communication.

I came here because I appreciate knowledge and pratical experience. I think you responed to me in the way you did because you think I offended Jim DeBruycker, who offers nothing but noise and BS.

Let's be gentlemen about this. I don't need an attitude like you've given me.

**BobL43** · 01-18-2013, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by DougB

Jim, this is the third or fourth time you have responded to me (on different internet forums) with useless information. I really believe your responses are show stoppers - in that you dilute the discussion with obvious information, and it causes more qualified responders from answering.

I too worked for the DoD, and I'm an engineer and a programmer, and the grandson of a man who owned an HVAC wholesaler. Yeah, I know what I'm doing, but I'm not a professional plumber or tile setter, or electrician, although I can get the job done. The reason I came to this forum is for some professional advice.

Responses such as: "There are many bath tubs" ... duh, yeah, most of us know that.

Please, please, if you see a post by 'Doug' or 'Doug B' in the next six months - just don't answer it.

I don't intend this to be rude, but someone needs to tell you that you are being overbearing, and useless noise.

Your statements towards Jim sound a "little" rough Doug. Jim's comments may be of interest to others reading this thread, even if they do not interest you. As HJ said, you do not have to read anything here that you do not want to. It is not necessary to be offensive here, and it will get you nowhere from the pros. Jim is not a plumbing pro either.

My 2 cents. Jim has been helpful to many here including myself, providing info sometimes that I myself may have forgotten to ask up front, but would have eventually anyway.

**DougB** · 01-17-2013, 06:48 PM

Here's what I am planning to use:

It already has it's own 20 amp circuit - just for an outlet.

I'm installing a new alcove bathtub, Toto toilet, sink, exhaust fan, light in alcove (damp rated), heated floor with GFCI thermostat, thermostatic Grohe valve, Low-E window.

I have other Grohe faucets in my home. The iBox looks really neat. Have you ever used it?

Also I was going to install a Toto wall mounted toilet. Have you ever seen one of these?

**nukeman** · 01-18-2013, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by DougB

I'm in Minneapoils, and I'm gutting the master bath. I intended to get a permit.

You said intended. Intended /= intend. I understand this was probably a typo, but you should read what you said before going off on hj. hj read what you said and it looks like you were skipping the permit process.

You have been provided good info for what you specifically asked. The simple answer is "all of them" when you ask about the codes. If you ask something specific or provide a layout and ask if it meets code, we can answer. Otherwise, your question is open-ended.