(206) 949-5683, Top Rated Plumber, Seattle
Results 1 to 15 of 41

Thread: Question on Fleck 7000 water softener 64k grin

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    DIY Member silversaver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Orange County, CA
    Posts
    42

    Default Question on Fleck 7000 water softener 64k grin

    what's the difference between fiberglass vs mineral tank? I see different vendors supply these 2 tanks as 12 x 48 and 12 x 52 for 64k grin system.


    In additon: My current setup were using 3/4" piping. I could have using the flex connectors for easy installation, but I'm worry the 3/4" piping will limited the water flow rate.

    The main piping to house were 1.25". Should I re-piping to 1" pipes instead? I'm about the purchase the softener, but needs the info before I order the system.

    Maybe I should have giving more infor:

    My current water softener is a GE Smartwater Profile 40k system with 1" male threads. Somehow the installer has using the 3/4" copper pipes to connect between softener and house's main 1.25" pipes. I can feel the water pressure drops when 2 showers run at same time. This has bothering me the last 10 years.... Finally the water softener broke down!!!

    Now, it is the chance to correct all the problem. It is good that I have decided on the Fleck 7000 64k system. I don't mind to hire a professional to install the system, but I need the info on correct size bypass connection to get with the new softener.

    As I mention ealier, I can use a flex connector for simple installation over the exiting 3/4" piping, but I don't want to face the same problem I had for last 10years. Will a 1" piping helps? Or stay with 3/4" piping since the Fleck 7000 has better internal high flow valves compares with GE?

    many thanks in advance

  2. #2
    Water systems designer, R&D ditttohead's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    California
    Posts
    1,707
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    Mineral tanks are "fiberglass" tanks. They are polyethylene inner shells with a fiberglass wrapping, then epoxy coated.

    The 12x52 is a better choice for a 2 cu. ft. system, the 12x48 is slighly small for this much media. Both are commonly used but the 12x52 is preferred.

    As to you plumbing size, code does not allow for a reduction in pipe size. Water velocity is the key issue here for pipe size considerations. Internal piping of a system is an engineered item specifically designed to accomodate a flow velocity exceeding 10 FPS, so internal manifolds will usually have an exception to the pipe size rule. Also, inspectors do not know whats inside of a system, they only know what they can see.

    I see no reason not to simply get a 2 cu. ft. 7000 w/ the proper 1-1/4" connectors. You may have to have a plumber install it, but it will be done right and to code. (hopefully)

    Stainless Falcon flex connectors are available in 1-1/4", you would only need to sweat on a couple of MIP adapters to the existing plumbing.

    Since you are in Orange County California, you will have copper plumbing, Fleck has 1-1/4" sweat connectors available at a reasonable price pt#41243-01 or 1-1/4" plastic threaded connectors pt#40565-01. Anybody you order the system from should have these parts available. Dont forget, you need to order 2 pieces.

  3. #3
    DIY Member silversaver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Orange County, CA
    Posts
    42

    Default

    Many thanks Dittohead!!!

    I'll order the system today. I think I'll have to order the plastic bypass in either 1" or 1-1/4" to accomendate flex connectors.

  4. #4
    Water systems designer, R&D ditttohead's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    California
    Posts
    1,707
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    The 7000 only has 1 bypass, it is a 1-1/4", the plumbing connectors are what make it the different size. See the attached picture for details.Name:  bypass.jpg
Views: 936
Size:  59.4 KB

  5. #5
    DIY Member silversaver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Orange County, CA
    Posts
    42

    Default

    Thanks once again Dittohead.

    I am getting the 1-1/4" in plastic not brass sweat. I recall a online seller mention the flex connector required plastic connector, correct?

    Or....

    I'll probably skip the flex connection. (not sure which is better option..) I think I'll order:

    Tank Color Option:Almond
    Insulating Jacket:NO Insulating Jacket
    Brine Tank Size:18x33 Round Brine Tank 0
    Res-Care Feeder:NO Res-Care Feeder
    Resin Media Option:Hi-Capacity Resin - 8% Crosslink
    Distributor Tube:With 32MM HI-FLOW Distributor
    Turbulator Option:NO Turbulator 12x52 Tank
    Plumbing Connection:BYPASS, Noryl 1-1/4" Male NPT
    Drain Tubing:WITH Drain Tubing - 10 Ft.

    I assume the above will come with pt#40565-01 1-1/4" MNPT

    In addition: I will also order the brass sweat separately since there's no upgrade feaures on seller's website. But... which one should I get?

    1. Connector Assembly, 1" x 1-1/4" Brass Sweat w/O-Ring (2-Pack) - 41242-01

    or

    2. Connector Assembly, 1-1/4" x 1-1/2" Brass Sweat w/O-Ring (2-Pack) - 41243-01


    Dittohead, the part # you gave were #2, is that the right ones?

    thanks
    Last edited by silversaver; 01-15-2013 at 12:00 AM.

  6. #6
    DIY Member silversaver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Orange County, CA
    Posts
    42

    Default

    Hi Dittohead,

    Can you send me the cheat sheet setting? I prefer good water quality over salt saving

    hardness 21gpg
    iron none to very low
    manganese none to very low
    chlorine 0.7ppm

    Family of 3 adults + 1 baby with 3 full bathrooms. The water usuage is about 220 gallons per day on average base on my current water softener.

    The new water softener is Fleck 7000 SXT 2 cu ft with 32mm districbutor using 1-1/4" copper pipes.

    Many thanks

  7. #7
    DIY Senior Member amateurplumber1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Here
    Posts
    119

    Default

    How is this so difficult? Isn't it basically just setting it up, adding salt, finding the right settings for you and that's all?
    Last edited by amateurplumber1; 04-22-2013 at 10:25 AM.

  8. #8
    That's all folks! Gary Slusser's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Wherever I park the motorhome.
    Posts
    6,790

    Default

    Here's the question; "In general, how much water should one add to the brine tank after cleaning it and loading new salt?". Now that is after cleaning a salt tank but how about when installing a new softener or salt tank? How about you taking a stab at answering it.

    When installing a new softener, even if you run a regeneration, there is no water to dissolve salt unless you add it because most control valves add the Refill water to the salt tank at the end of the present regeneration.,
    Last edited by Gary Slusser; 04-22-2013 at 05:23 PM.
    Gary Slusser Retired (= out of business)
    Click Here to learn how to correctly size or program a water softener.
    CAUTION, as of Nov 12 2013 all YouTube videos showing how to rebuild a Clack valve have an error in them that can cause damage.

  9. #9
    DIY Member silversaver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Orange County, CA
    Posts
    42

    Default

    Hi Gary,

    It seems to be better than before, but not the same as what I had before... I am currently using 12lbs setting with 0.25 BLFC, my salt time setting @ 32. Which 32 x 0.25 = 8 gallons of water, then X 3lbs salt. the water will dissolve total 24lbs of salt

    btw, I forgot to mention.. After every regeneration, the water turn little yellow with little black dot (very little). Take a day to 2 to clear out. That is weird....
    Last edited by silversaver; 05-21-2013 at 11:47 PM.

  10. #10
    DIY Senior Member amateurplumber1's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Here
    Posts
    119

    Default

    Maybe its defective. Did you check if yours was a recalled unit?

  11. #11
    That's all folks! Gary Slusser's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Wherever I park the motorhome.
    Posts
    6,790

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by silversaver View Post
    Hi Gary,

    It seems to be better than before, but not the same as what I had before... I am currently using 12lbs setting with 0.25 BLFC, my salt time setting @ 32. Which 32 x 0.25 = 8 gallons of water, then X 3lbs salt. the water will dissolve total 24lbs of salt

    btw, I forgot to mention.. After every regeneration, the water turn little yellow with little black dot (very little). Take a day to 2 to clear out. That is weird....
    I see you say you are regenerating during the day.

    That is not good. Any water used during regeneration causes hard water to get past the softener, and into the water heater if hot water being used. That will cause you to not feel slick/slippery wherever you mix hot with cold water.

    And 24 lbs worth of refill water says 12 lb/cuft, not 12 lbs.

    Amateur, the 7000 defect allowed a leak into the salt tank causing too much water in the salt tank.
    Gary Slusser Retired (= out of business)
    Click Here to learn how to correctly size or program a water softener.
    CAUTION, as of Nov 12 2013 all YouTube videos showing how to rebuild a Clack valve have an error in them that can cause damage.

  12. #12
    DIY Member silversaver's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Orange County, CA
    Posts
    42

    Default

    The regeneration is setup at 4am in the morning, but I usually hit regeneration botton while we are out for dinner to avoid the noise late at night (too much noise). so there's no water usuage during regeneration.

    I have check the water level in brine tank, nothing unusual. The only problem I had is no matter how much salt it uses, I don't get the soft water from my old softener.

    "And 24 lbs worth of refill water says 12 lb/cuft, not 12 lbs." What do you mean? 8 gallons of water dissolve 24 lbs of salt. I'm running a 64k system so I assume my salt setting were 12lbs/cuft.
    Am I missing something?

    anyway, I have up the setting up @40 for 15lbs salt/cuft, lets see what happen

Similar Threads

  1. New fleck 7000 sxt questions
    By Steve424 in forum Water Softener Forum, problems, installation and reviews
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 12-04-2012, 01:31 PM
  2. Fleck 7000 questions
    By cgarai in forum Water Softener Forum, problems, installation and reviews
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 11-16-2012, 12:47 AM
  3. Problem with Fleck 7000 45k water softener
    By dergrah in forum Water Softener Forum, problems, installation and reviews
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 08-08-2011, 06:34 PM
  4. Connecting a 1-1/4" fleck 7000 bypass valve to water supply
    By geod in forum Water Softener Forum, problems, installation and reviews
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 03-01-2011, 10:34 AM
  5. Help Programming a Fleck 7000 SXT
    By batboy in forum Water Softener Forum, problems, installation and reviews
    Replies: 36
    Last Post: 09-03-2010, 06:43 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •