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    Dear Newsgroup,
    I think a shifty plummer pulled a fast one on my 82 yr old mum.

    As soon as he left the water tank behind the toilet started acting very wonky.
    The water goes up and down...up and down.....up and down.
    Each cycle jolts the pipes throughout the house making sleep impossible.
    Then..like its on a timer or something...functions OK for a day or 2.
    Then the up and down starts in again. The black flap on the bottom of the tank is shut tight so its kinda spooky watching this.

    Any illumination would be tremendous, thanks in advance!!

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    Give us a little more background.

    Was he there to work on the toilet? What was he asked to do and/or what did he say he did?

    If this just started on its own, we can help you diagnose the toilet. Post a low-resolution photo of the tank contents with the lid off, if you can, or tell us the brand and model if you know it. New toilet? Old toilet?

    These things are helpful but not essential.

    Other questions: You say the water goes up and down, but the flapper (black thing) is shut tight. If you turn off the water to the toilet at the wall there, does the tank drain on its own? If so, you probably just need a new flapper, although it might be something much-less-likely like a crack in that riser, although that would probably not cause intermittent symptoms.

    When the water is running, does it flow up over the top of the overflow riser (the vertical tube by the flush valve)? Or does it just fill to a level about an inch below that and then shut off? If the latter, then the fill valve (incoming water control) is doing what it is supposed to do.

    In terms of the water hammer effect on shutoff, some fill valves are more likely to cause that than others. Again, is there a new fill valve in there? Is this a new toilet? Or is this an old toilet that just now started doing this?

    My off-the-cuff guess is that all Mum needs is a new flapper, but give us some more detail and maybe we can focus the answer better.
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    Let me get to work on this assignment. Tomorrows a new day and thanks!!

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    Our pleasure. When I talk about turning off the water and seeing if the tank drains, one way to do it is to mark the water level with a pencil and then see where it is an hour or two later. If it's down, then that's what's causing it to turn on and refill.

    Sometimes, too, one cause of an intermittent problem can be that the chain between the handle and the black thing (flapper) is too tight (i.e. no slack at all) and it's holding the flapper just imperceptibly above the sealing point sometimes, and sometimes not. Or there is too much chain and it is sometimes catching under the lip of the flapper and sometimes not. Or the handle is sticky and sometimes it returns to a proper level and sometimes not. Or the bar to which the chain is connected is off-center and pulling the flapper to one side so it isn't fully-seating. So that's my list of potential little things that can be causing an intermittent problem with the flapper. Or it can just be that the flapper is old and a new one will solve the problem easily.

    I look forward to your follow-up.

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    Default I think a plumber pulled a fast one on me 82 yr old mum.

    Give us a little more background.

    Was he there to work on the toilet? What was he asked to do and/or what did he say he did?
    The toilet was wobbling like a bad table in a luncheonette. He was here to repair that.

    If this just started on its own, we can help you diagnose the toilet. Post a low-resolution photo of the tank contents with the lid off, if you can, or tell us the brand and model if you know it. New toilet? Old toilet?

    Old. Gerber 1.6 gpf 6.0 Lpf..then inside a circle you see s a

    Right now im waiting for the intermittent symptoms to start in again so I can better respond.
    Thank you.
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    Probably not the answer to this problem, but just for general information. Many of the early low flow toilets did not perform well at all. Many manufactures tried just minor changes to their existing models to make them use less water. This just flat didn't work and to this day, many people think a low flow toilet requires frequent plunging to deal with clogs. Gerber was one of this companies. As I said, this is not likely to be your immediate problem, but if/when a new toilet is needed, consider the Toto line. You can read about them by following the link "Toilet Review" at the top of this page.

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