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    Default Remote alarm to call my phone if my Prestige 110 boiler shuts down ?

    My all-season cottage has a Prestige 110. In Dec 2012 it went into hard lock-out mode during a heavy nor-easter snow and wind storm. Apparently a power sag/brown-out (but not full interruption) results in a hard lock-out. It was fortunate I arrived from vacation to find the indoor temp to be 34F degrees. The auto reset does not work in this power sag situation and the manual re-set did not work until I powered the unit off and on. Triangle Tube is sending me a fix-kit for power sags -- saying it has something to do with a condition (i.e. the boiler can't reset automatically) caused by 6000V rural tranformer electrical servcie.

    Needless to say, I am now worried about leaving my cottage heated and not being there daily. Other suggestions have been to put the boiler on an automatic timed power-off/power-on switch to cause it to premptively auto reset itself. I am wondering if there is such a thing as a remote notification solution that will send an alarm to my phone or computer when the temperature of the cottage drops below a set temp?

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    There are IP cams with dry contact inputs that can trigger a recording to sent via email. Just wire it to a cheap mercury bulb T-stat set low.

    I was having a problem with my new furnace so I put an IP cam on it facing the status indicator. I hosted it on Click2Stream and can look in on it at any time. Not much to look at but I can see the status from anywhere.
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    When designing heating systems for remote cabins we often use frost alarms like these: C:\Users\Morgan\Documents\BOOK\Controls\Freeze Alarms\Protecting Your Home- Product Detail Page.mht

    But lately have been specifying these also: http://www.ecobee.com/

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    If you have any nerd genes and like to play with this kind of stuff, you can build a nice system around mFi.

    http://www.ubnt.com/mfi#mFi-Software
    http://www.ubnt.com/mfi#tsen

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    Quote Originally Posted by oak orchard View Post
    My all-season cottage has a Prestige 110. In Dec 2012 it went into hard lock-out mode during a heavy nor-easter snow and wind storm. Apparently a power sag/brown-out (but not full interruption) results in a hard lock-out. It was fortunate I arrived from vacation to find the indoor temp to be 34F degrees. The auto reset does not work in this power sag situation and the manual re-set did not work until I powered the unit off and on. Triangle Tube is sending me a fix-kit for power sags -- saying it has something to do with a condition (i.e. the boiler can't reset automatically) caused by 6000V rural tranformer electrical servcie.

    Needless to say, I am now worried about leaving my cottage heated and not being there daily. Other suggestions have been to put the boiler on an automatic timed power-off/power-on switch to cause it to premptively auto reset itself. I am wondering if there is such a thing as a remote notification solution that will send an alarm to my phone or computer when the temperature of the cottage drops below a set temp?

    You may be better off using a Low Voltage Cut off, That has a time delay reset.

    A phone line is normally the most reliable way to control something when the power has failed.
    A plain old phone dialer could set you up with a simple security system with audio and video.

    Even better a High Speed Internet connection, but don't count on it if the power is out.
    Theory only works perfect in a vacuum.

    Cyber Security Protection for Windows C:\ > WWW.WinForce.Net

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonL View Post
    Even better a High Speed Internet connection, but don't count on it if the power is out.
    At home I have a UPS on mine so power outages are not a problem until the battery in the UPS depletes. At work, all of my UPS systems email me their status. I also have environment monitor systems that email me and text me.

    At work I tied flagging tape to the registers of the A/C units and the security guard station monitors the camera. The guards were trained to look in on the room if the flagging tape ever stops moving as it indicates the A/C unit stopped. That way they can restart the A/C before the temp would set off the alarm and I don't get woken up by it.

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    I considered an UPS (uninterrupted power supply) solution but then I realized that the temperature and power-off alarm will give me more reliability for protection over a broader range of problems. Plus, I am going to install the Triangle Tube fix-kit (for power sags which defeat the auto reset on the boiler) so I don't expect brown outs and sags to be a problem after that.

    But the issue raised my awareness about needing long distance knowledge of the heat and the power. You need an EMS (not just UPS) to find out if things are failed and your approaching a freeze up.

    Albeit, in looking into this I realize that a UPS might be good idea to prolong the life of the boiler's electronics (and many other sensitive electronics) - since we get a lot of power sags which I understand harm electronic circuitry (i.e. like power surges harm electronics).

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    If you're nerdy, eh? hehhehee
    Quote Originally Posted by LLigetfa View Post
    At home I have a UPS on mine so power outages are not a problem until the battery in the UPS depletes. At work, all of my UPS systems email me their status. I also have environment monitor systems that email me and text me.

    At work I tied flagging tape to the registers of the A/C units and the security guard station monitors the camera. The guards were trained to look in on the room if the flagging tape ever stops moving as it indicates the A/C unit stopped. That way they can restart the A/C before the temp would set off the alarm and I don't get woken up by it.

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    One Prestige owner blogged on another site that he resolved the problem with a 24 hour cycle, power off/on timer. Preempted the problem by having his unit shut down for a few minutes every day, which apparently activates the reset when power is returned. But power outages are not uncommon during winter storms in our area.

    I was pleasantly enlightened by discovering the Freeze Protection devices recommend by others, here. Thanks. I am still do my research on them.

    My cottage is not wired for a telephone but Emerson has a unit that works with a cellular phone (no need for a land line):

    http://www.controlproductsonline.com...-191-l-en.html

    The FA-I-CCA Intermediate FreezeAlarm has a Cellular Package and its also has a "power outage" alarm.

    But it is pricy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oak orchard View Post
    My cottage is not wired for a telephone but Emerson has a unit that works with a cellular phone (no need for a land line):

    http://www.controlproductsonline.com...-191-l-en.html

    The FA-I-CCA Intermediate FreezeAlarm has a Cellular Package and its also has a "power outage" alarm.

    But it is pricy.
    Any system that relies on cellular will come with a monthly recurring cost. How do you get internet at the cottage? I live out in the sticks and get my internet via a WISP. The Canopy SM is on UPS as is my router.

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    I get my internet via Verizon hot spot. The phone can do all. When designing heating systems for cabins up north - MN and WI, not YT, NT or NU mind you - we find that the land lines often go out with the power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadgerBoilerMN View Post
    I get my internet via Verizon hot spot. The phone can do all...
    We don't have Verizon up here but I know of only two ways to get internet over cellular. One is a hotspot feature on a smart phone that essentially "tethers" wirelessly a laptop to the phone. If you use the phone "tethering" then when you leave the premise and take your phone with you, there is no longer any internet at the cabin.

    The other is a desktop device that needs it's own SIM card and has monthly fees and data caps. It would need to be on a UPS and you would hope the cell carrier's tower is also on a UPS.

    If you cannot rely on land lines working in a power outage, cellular may be your only option.

    My cellular provider is also my WISP although they are two different technologies. The cell tower is on UPS and I asked them to also put their Canopy gear onto the UPS so that I can get internet during power outages. Well... at least until the batteries deplete. Around here, land lines (POTS) most often still work in a power outage but DSL probably wouldn't. A basic phone dialer with OGM would probably suffice as long as whatever took out the power didn't also take down the phone lines. A while back we had a power transformer catch fire that not only took out the power but the fire spread to the wooden pole and took out the phone lines too.

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