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    Hi Everyone,

    I'm a newbie when it comes to this, so I need all the help I can get! I just purchased a house that is on a well and septic (coming from city water at my current house). The house sat vacant for just over two years prior to me purchasing it. Currently, we have an Ecowater R/O system that has been determined to be non-functioning and an EcoWater Water Softener that was installed in 1993. I've met with Kinetico, Culligan, and a local company that specializes in Well drilling and water treatment. Each one has had a different recommendation on the best way to treat our issues. We have the following issues...

    Overwhelming rotten egg smell on both hot and cold water (we have to open the door if the water is running for more than a few minutes)
    Raw Well Water Hardness - 23
    pH - 7.0
    TDS - 350
    Iron - 2ppm
    Water softener Water Hardness - 4 grain
    Water softener Iron - 1ppm (water is has a slightly pink hue to it)
    Water thru our R/O System (which is also coming thru the filter in the fridge) - 300TDS
    Manganese
    Slightly Sulfur (According to Culligan)
    Iron Bacteria (According to Kinetico)
    Tannin (According to Kinetico)

    - Kinetico recommended the 2060 non-electric twin tank, Powerline filter, Vertical Mach Super kit, and K5 Drinking System.

    - Culligan has recommended an Iron Soft Plus system (all in one softener, iron & sulfur remover)

    - Local Well company uses Nelson Water Treatments for their systems. So they recommended an AIO system to remove the iron which has a Fleck 2510SXT electronic control valve. If we replaced the water softener they recommended the Fleck 9100 and the NR04 (4-Stage) RO system.

    I would like to go ahead and replace the RO system since it's not working at all. It also seems like it would be beneficial to replace the softener, depending on costs. If we were to go with the Nelson systems, we could replace all 3 systems for about the same price as either the Kinetico or Culligan system. However, I can't find much on the Fleck systems to know if they have a good reputation or not.

    Any input on what would be the best approach to fix our issues would be greatly appreciated!

    Thanks!

    Alicia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akiov View Post
    Hi Everyone,

    I'm a newbie when it comes to this, so I need all the help I can get! I just purchased a house that is on a well and septic (coming from city water at my current house). The house sat vacant for just over two years prior to me purchasing it. Currently, we have an Ecowater R/O system that has been determined to be non-functioning and an EcoWater Water Softener that was installed in 1993. I've met with Kinetico, Culligan, and a local company that specializes in Well drilling and water treatment. Each one has had a different recommendation on the best way to treat our issues. We have the following issues...

    Overwhelming rotten egg smell on both hot and cold water (we have to open the door if the water is running for more than a few minutes)
    Raw Well Water Hardness - 23
    pH - 7.0
    TDS - 350
    Iron - 2ppm
    Water softener Water Hardness - 4 grain
    Water softener Iron - 1ppm (water is has a slightly pink hue to it)
    Water thru our R/O System (which is also coming thru the filter in the fridge) - 300TDS
    Manganese
    Slightly Sulfur (According to Culligan)
    Iron Bacteria (According to Kinetico)
    Tannin (According to Kinetico)

    - Kinetico recommended the 2060 non-electric twin tank, Powerline filter, Vertical Mach Super kit, and K5 Drinking System.

    - Culligan has recommended an Iron Soft Plus system (all in one softener, iron & sulfur remover)

    - Local Well company uses Nelson Water Treatments for their systems. So they recommended an AIO system to remove the iron which has a Fleck 2510SXT electronic control valve. If we replaced the water softener they recommended the Fleck 9100 and the NR04 (4-Stage) RO system.

    I would like to go ahead and replace the RO system since it's not working at all. It also seems like it would be beneficial to replace the softener, depending on costs. If we were to go with the Nelson systems, we could replace all 3 systems for about the same price as either the Kinetico or Culligan system. However, I can't find much on the Fleck systems to know if they have a good reputation or not.

    Any input on what would be the best approach to fix our issues would be greatly appreciated!

    Thanks!

    Alicia
    How long have the people at the well drilling company been doing business?
    Sounds like theirs would be the simplest way of treating the water , less equipment and lower year to year cost.
    The AIO valve is good, and depending on the water and the usage as to how often it might need cleaning.

    I have yet to hear of a PINK tannin... yellow , brown, gray and even some times black ,,, but PINK?
    Is there an iron filter with pot perm in use?

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    I can give you a layman's opinion. I am NOT an expert, but am the proud owner of a water treatment system that's doing a fine job for me. It was installed by a local old-timer here who worked out of a pickup truck, but was recommended by a neighbor. I knew jack about water treatment then, but would feel very comfortable installing a new system by myself if I were to move now. I'm a recovering engineer, so like to understand how things work in my world. I rejected Kinetico out of hand because it was a little too spooky for me and way too expensive. I would have been locked into their service for life, and didn't like that much. Culligan was less spooky, but the lock-in still turned me off.

    What I wound up with is a chlorine injection -> Carbon filter -> softener system. Very conventional, easy to understand and service. Fleck 2510 valves on both the carbon and softener tanks. My experience and the scuttlebutt on this forum suggest that Fleck is good stuff, and the modern 2510SXT adds fancy easy-to-program electronics to an already excellent valve. One day I might add an RO system just for fun, but there's no obvious need for it. A neighbor of mine swears by Kinetico, but I can't for the life of me figure out why -- his hot water stinks (but that's a bacteria issue in the water heater, I'm sure), and a brand-new toilet is ugly, 7-11 gas-station dirty after only 3 months' use.

    A big factor, IMHO, is your desire and ability to manage a system yourself. If your primary tool in your toolbox is your checkbook, and DIY-type home maintenance is NOT your idea of fun, then you might be better off with your local dealer, assuming he's well-established with a good reputation. Kinetico or Culligan are national names, to be sure, but you'll be dependent on a local dealer. If I were in that situation, I'd ask around to see what others have done and how satisfied they are. Get a list of reference accounts from your prospective dealers and go visit them. If your water is that bad, you're probably not alone, and wandering around the neighborhood to talk about water treatment is a dandy way to meet your neighbors and find out how handy THEY are. If you see a big home-delivery water truck outside the house, that would probably be a sign that they're NOT too happy with their water, so be sure to talk with them. My water smells pretty bad and is pretty hard coming out of the ground, but after treatment is every bit as good as Evian, and a hell of a lot cheaper.

    There's a small chance that the pink tint is coming from the presence of Serratia marcescens bacteria. A chlorinator will take care of that, as well as other nasties, real or imagined. You should disinfect the entire system if it's sat stewing for a couple of years. My wife loves our chlorinator even more when she sees the horses peeing in a neighbor's field.

    Good luck; BTW, where is Indianapolis, FL? Google Maps draws a blank.
    Last edited by Mikey; 11-27-2012 at 06:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akiov View Post
    Hi Everyone,

    I'm a newbie when it comes to this, so I need all the help I can get! I just purchased a house that is on a well and septic (coming from city water at my current house). The house sat vacant for just over two years prior to me purchasing it. Currently, we have an Ecowater R/O system that has been determined to be non-functioning and an EcoWater Water Softener that was installed in 1993. I've met with Kinetico, Culligan, and a local company that specializes in Well drilling and water treatment. Each one has had a different recommendation on the best way to treat our issues. We have the following issues...

    Overwhelming rotten egg smell on both hot and cold water (we have to open the door if the water is running for more than a few minutes)
    Raw Well Water Hardness - 23
    pH - 7.0
    TDS - 350
    Iron - 2ppm
    Water softener Water Hardness - 4 grain
    Water softener Iron - 1ppm (water is has a slightly pink hue to it)
    Water thru our R/O System (which is also coming thru the filter in the fridge) - 300TDS
    Manganese
    Slightly Sulfur (According to Culligan)
    Iron Bacteria (According to Kinetico)
    Tannin (According to Kinetico)

    - Kinetico recommended the 2060 non-electric twin tank, Powerline filter, Vertical Mach Super kit, and K5 Drinking System.

    - Culligan has recommended an Iron Soft Plus system (all in one softener, iron & sulfur remover)

    - Local Well company uses Nelson Water Treatments for their systems. So they recommended an AIO system to remove the iron which has a Fleck 2510SXT electronic control valve. If we replaced the water softener they recommended the Fleck 9100 and the NR04 (4-Stage) RO system.

    I would like to go ahead and replace the RO system since it's not working at all. It also seems like it would be beneficial to replace the softener, depending on costs. If we were to go with the Nelson systems, we could replace all 3 systems for about the same price as either the Kinetico or Culligan system. However, I can't find much on the Fleck systems to know if they have a good reputation or not.

    Any input on what would be the best approach to fix our issues would be greatly appreciated!

    Thanks!

    Alicia
    Do not install an RO until you 'fix' the other water quality problems or you will ruin the RO.

    Independent water treatment dealers are usually better than national brand dealers like Kinetico and Culligan etc., or big box store brands like SEARS, GE, Whirlpool. Independent dealers sell equipment with components made by very old manufacturers that have very high quality products. Such as Clack, Fleck, Autotrol, Structural Fibers, Purolite, Sybron Chemicals etc.. Those companies do not advertise to the general public so you may have never heard of them. Put their products together and you get a softener etc. and that is what many independent dealers do, or they buy from suppliers such as Nelsen etc.. Suppliers don't advertise to the public either because like the component manufacturers, they do not sell to the public.

    The suppliers' dealers do the advertising and selling National brands buy from those same manufactures and the big box store brands are all made buy te same company, Echowater. Echowater also has higher quality equipment that is sold exclusive dealers, and it is as high priced or higher than Culligan and Kinetico.

    All of the national brands are proprietary equipment meaning you can't get parts or service from anyone but their one and only local dealer in your area.

    There are many more independent dealers than there are national brand dealers, and as you have seen, some well drillers and also a few plumbers selling industry standard, non proprietary equipment that you can buy parts from (including online) and get service from locally.

    The problem is to not be oversold or sold something that is not going to be the solution to your poor water quality problems. Like a larger control valve than the softener or a filter requires. Or larger or more equipment than your family or house needs, or a twin tank softener when you have no need for one. And then there is the problem with being sold things like stainless steel tanks and/or being charged way more than fair prices.

    If you are handy, or have some guy that is more handy than handsome, you can buy online and install it yourselves and save a bunch of money.
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    The system from Nelsen sounds perfect. The 2510AIO is an excellent valve, I would recommend learning how to clean the injector assembly. All of the systems and components they are describing look great.

    If you do replace the RO without correcting the other problems, you will be changing filters more often, and the membrane, but those parts are cheap. If you replace that now, you will be fine as long as you understand that you will have increased maintenance until the POE treatment is running properly.

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    Alicia, before you buy it, ask the people you want to buy the RO from, if you should use it with the amount of iron you have in your water.
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    No, the membrane is not rated for 2 ppm iron, the membrane will foul quicker than normal. Membranes are about $40, it will easily remove the iron, but the iron will foul the membrane.

    In a residential application like this, you may only get 3-18 months out of a membrane, depending on what state the iron is in.

    As to the reputation of the Fleck product lines, they are used by most of the major name water treatment companies. They are the manufacturer of the best selling control valve of all time, (5600 series). Their entire product line is considered top quality. The 9100SXT and the 2510 are based on valves that have been around for decades and are basically commercial grade. Nelson uses non proprietary Fleck controls which is preferred since it keeps the cost much lower due to the availability of competition.
    Last edited by ditttohead; 11-27-2012 at 02:23 PM.

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    Was that a mis-spelling? You live in Indianapolis, FL? Where is that located?

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