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    The first two are long-discontinued "Reliance Commercial Line" toilets, and the 713 is I think the Carusoe, all with 2" flush valves. Last spec sheets I found on the first ones were from 1997.

    Come on to the 21st Century! Terry indicates that the basic Drake, with readily-available parts and a great flush with the 3" flush valve, is something he considers commercial grade. I think I saw where he just put a bunch of them in his local church (look at the end of the CST744 owner reviews). It comes in an ADA height version and a right-handle if you need them at the job site. CST744SL or CST744EL for the ADA-height and add an "R" to the model for a right-handle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wjcandee View Post
    Come on to the 21st Century! Terry indicates that the basic Drake, with readily-available parts and a great flush with the 3" flush valve, is something he considers commercial grade.
    OK, you've convinced me to pull the trigger on the CST744SL.
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    Great! If you want to buy local, I would look off the Toto supplier locator I linked to above.
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    We generally don't talk about online sources here, but you'll see what i mean if you google the model number. look at colonial white as well as cotton when you find the site. colonial is closer to current AS white.

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    OK, I understand. But this is a replacement for a 1979 Kohler lowboy, not AS.

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    Also, is Toto compatible with Bemis seats?

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    Yep. No problem. 5 1/2" between post holes. As to AS, I was just identifying the difference between the two whites.
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    I should probably start another thread to ask this, but how do you decide between a closed front and open front seat?

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    You generally see an open front seat in public restrooms...it enables 'drips' to go onto the porcelain rather than run under and on the seat, and provides a little more room for the male anatomy.
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    Is that why hospitals do it? I'm asking because the clients are elderly and are trying to stay out of nursing homes.

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    It's easier to keep the seat clean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wjcandee View Post
    Yep. No problem. 5 1/2" between post holes.
    Yeah, but sometimes the shape may not exactly match.

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    Terry has indicated that the relevant Toto seat really fits the bowl of the Drake very nicely; it's comfortable and aesthetically-pleasing.

    In our house, we had recently replaced the plastic seats on several toilets with the wooden Mayfair (Bemis) slow-close seats with the EZ-detach feature, and I just moved them to our two new Drakes (one round, one elongated). To us, they seem to fit fine, and the family really likes them, but we seem to like the hard seat. Guess it's just what we're used to; it's not a money issue, we just like 'em. But they do "fit" in any way that's noticeable, although they don't fit the contours of the toilet exactly like the Toto seat, I think.

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    I found my Toto toilet at National Builders Supply, Austell GA, delivered to my door in SoCal in 5 days for $100 less than at a local discount plumbing supply. They actually packed the original cartons in bigger boxes surrounded by packing peanuts foamed in place with expanding foam.

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    Hey, Charles2, I did a little open-seat research for you and was intrigued at the compliments that the open-front, commercial-grade Toto SC134 seat seems to get from folks who had bought it for home. It's one of the ones noted by Toto on the spec sheet for the CST744S. If you look at the customer reviews at the major housewares merchants' web sites, they're almost unanimous that this is one nice seat.

    Edit: By sheer coincidence, after I posted this earlier, a family member allowed as how the Toto SS114 seat on our Carlyle II had "broken". I assumed it had just slipped on a loose attachment bolt. Nope -- one side had come apart, apparently from significant torsion (don't ask). So I took the thing off the toilet, disassembled and reassembled it and reattached it...good as new. However, in doing so I just have to say that every piece is really nice, solid, heavy plastic or metal, an interesting and solid design, and it just exudes quality. Apparently, this is a newer design of the SS114 where they have kept the model number, because I saw lots of bitching on one seller's web site about how the seat shipped didn't match the photo on the site or the SS114 that had come on their old toilet, and posted their own photos to prove it. Indeed, my 114, which came with the toilet, is different from the old product photo but exactly what the seller was selling. (People were actually sending it back saying that the wrong product was in the box, even though the box had the right number. The perils of significantly-redesigning something and giving it the same model number, I guess, but if I were the merchant I would be pissed at the manufacturer for causing all this tsouris.) Regardless, my point is that the current SS114 seems to be a very nice closed-front seat.
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