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    I want to buy 2 more of these toilets but need to find a solution to this problem first. The tank lid has a small air vent in the back where the wall damage is (see pictured). Condensation stays in the tank with the exception of where it wicks out the air vent onto the wallpaper. This happened over a period of 2 years. I put some duct tape over the spot to provide some water resistance but the tape is soaked but appears to be doing the job for now (is duct tape water proof?). I'm assuming that its unwise to seal the air vent. My other toilets don't have this problem since the tank lids are rectangular, don't have an air gap and don't butt up against the wall. Any ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tesla View Post
    I want to buy 2 more of these toilets but need to find a solution to this problem first. The tank lid has a small air vent in the back where the wall damage is (see pictured). Condensation stays in the tank with the exception of where it wicks out the air vent onto the wallpaper. This happened over a period of 2 years. I put some duct tape over the spot to provide some water resistance but the tape is soaked but appears to be doing the job for now (is duct tape water proof?). I'm assuming that its unwise to seal the air vent. My other toilets don't have this problem since the tank lids are rectangular, don't have an air gap and don't butt up against the wall. Any ideas?

    Thanks, Barry

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    Don't worry about sealing that cutaway. I am not persuaded that it was added solely to help the flush, although that may be a by-product of its addition.

    One of my Drakes has the "air vent" in the tank; the other doesn't, even though I bought them at the same time. (Drake original rather than Drake II.) That cutaway may indeed be an air vent that helps the flush, but it also seems to have been added as a feature at about the same time as Toto introduced the Washlet with the automatic flush device. The wires for the automatic flush device are to be routed through that cutaway, so at a minimum it has been added for that purpose. I don't think you are harming anything by covering it. Duct tape is vapor-proof, generally-speaking. If you want something more waterproof, you could try "rescue tape", which is clear, but the duct tape should be fine.

    I would call Toto customer service. 1-800-295-8134. I would complain about the damage to my wallpaper from the cutaway, and I would ask them, "Why does this thing have this cutaway, anyway? It has damaged my wallpaper, and I am disinclined to buy the three more than I planned to buy because of this." They are very nice folks in Georgia and they may have a solution for you. Moreover, I think that Toto should hear your feedback, and, being a Japanese-owned American company, they most assuredly keep scrupulous track of customer feedback. I truly think that this cutaway was added primarily to facilitate the auto-flush washlet, and to make it convenient to install that washlet. If you don't want that washlet, I think Toto should provide an option that doesn't cause water vapor to stain your wall; either a different tank lid (or tank in my case) or a device to cover the hole.

    Because my Drake stands off the wall 1.125", staining isn't an issue for me, but I strongly suspect that this is an unintended (and unimagined) consequence of the design change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wjcandee View Post
    Don't worry about sealing that cutaway. I am not persuaded that it was added solely to help the flush, although that may be a by-product of its addition.

    One of my Drakes has the "air vent" in the tank; the other doesn't, even though I bought them at the same time. (Drake original rather than Drake II.) That cutaway may indeed be an air vent that helps the flush, but it also seems to have been added as a feature at about the same time as Toto introduced the Washlet with the automatic flush device. The wires for the automatic flush device are to be routed through that cutaway, so at a minimum it has been added for that purpose. I don't think you are harming anything by covering it. Duct tape is vapor-proof, generally-speaking. If you want something more waterproof, you could try "rescue tape", which is clear, but the duct tape should be fine.

    I would call Toto customer service. 1-800-295-8134. I would complain about the damage to my wallpaper from the cutaway, and I would ask them, "Why does this thing have this cutaway, anyway? It has damaged my wallpaper, and I am disinclined to buy the three more than I planned to buy because of this." They are very nice folks in Georgia and they may have a solution for you. Moreover, I think that Toto should hear your feedback, and, being a Japanese-owned American company, they most assuredly keep scrupulous track of customer feedback. I truly think that this cutaway was added primarily to facilitate the auto-flush washlet, and to make it convenient to install that washlet. If you don't want that washlet, I think Toto should provide an option that doesn't cause water vapor to stain your wall; either a different tank lid (or tank in my case) or a device to cover the hole.

    Because my Drake stands off the wall 1.125", staining isn't an issue for me, but I strongly suspect that this is an unintended (and unimagined) consequence of the design change.
    I called Toto and you are correct about the redesigned tank lid to accommodate the washlet flush device. He said all the lids now have that air gap and the only way I could get one without the gap is if I happened to get an older one. Also, the original Drake's tank is not as wide, fore and aft, and would allow more gap against the wall. He suggested duct tape and didn't have a solution to close the gap. He also said that this is not a know problem and this is the first time he's heard of this.

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    That's great! I'm so glad you called them, because I know that the Kaizen process will pick up your feedback. So, I guess duct tape it is!

    I hope you still love your Toto as much as we love ours!

    One other thought is that you could check that major auction site to see if Drake II tank lids of the older style pop up from time to time. But the duct tape is a cheaper, probably-equally-effective solution.

    (I used to do some work for the City of Garland. Love that part of Texas.)

    All the best...
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    Out of curiosity, is your rough-in really at 12", or is it a little short? Normally, there's enough gap behind the toilet that airflow would negate that effect.

    There's enough gap around the lid to let enough air in so that water can flow out during a flush...the cutout is unlikely to add to it enough to make a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jadnashua View Post
    Out of curiosity, is your rough-in really at 12", or is it a little short? Normally, there's enough gap behind the toilet that airflow would negate that effect.

    There's enough gap around the lid to let enough air in so that water can flow out during a flush...the cutout is unlikely to add to it enough to make a difference.
    It's an honest 12. Time to put a level on the tank to see if it or the bowl might be tilted back a bit. Could I get away with putting some rubber shims under the rear of the tank to tilt it forward?

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