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    To resurrect this, another property has the same situation, 2 hots and a neutral from the meter pole, with a driven ground rod there at the meter pole. Then three wires travel to the house subpanel with ONLY a ufer ground, no driven ground. Does that fly too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ballvalve View Post
    To resurrect this, another property has the same situation, 2 hots and a neutral from the meter pole, with a driven ground rod there at the meter pole. Then three wires travel to the house subpanel with ONLY a ufer ground, no driven ground. Does that fly too?
    Yup. Pretty typical install.

    With a Ufer NO other grounding electrodes are required, unless of course they already exist (like a metallic underground water pipe).

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    Agreed. Given the information as presented, there is no problem with the installation.

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    Most installs around here have the meter mounted near the breaker panel, or it is a temporary install.

    Are you in a trailer court or what ?
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    In this mountain area, most bring in power early for a well. Lots are 5 acre minimum to many at thousands. So you set a overhead or underground service pole, and then PGE serves that, usually a small meter box with 6 to 12 spaces. From that you build the house, and then finally make a main run to the house 'subpanel'. Sometimes 20 or 30 years pass between the meter pole and the final living space or barn hookup.

    PGE, the utility MUST serve a well, but no other structure unless completed, so this is how the ones that know get power in early. I knew one creative guy that set up a fake well and house just to get the power in.

    I should post a photo of the feed to my house - PGE hung the high tension lines to monster pine trees down an inacessible canyon. Been working for 30 years after a few re-habs. And then we did a 800' undergound run down a rock cut into a 50 degree slope to the meter box.

    Hell, I have 6 tie backs for power poles that are drilled into the base of black oak trees! and you can still follow the phone lines in the pine trees for miles - when I moved here it was maintained by a group of local miners and we were on a 32 party line. And that was the 80's.

    Those same guys used to just go out and hook up their mines to the nearest pole and then call and ask the utility [ a drinking bud at a one man office] to set a meter for them. Thats when we had freedom and guys that worked like mules.
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    Wow,

    Ground rods are not much good in terrain like that.

    That must be why they do it that way.
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    The ground rods usually get cut off after about half gets in and then pounded on to look like its in. But I lay them down in a trench now in hard stuff.

    I think the county got its building department in 1978. Now its filled with Berkely educated idiots. The BEST part was the planning commission pre 1970's. If you wanted to subdivide your 400 acres into 25x75' lots - or anything - a ruler and a few dimensions on the county maps was just enough to make your city for free.

    Once owned into a 1940's subdivision of 20x50 lots - hundreds on a hillside. You should see our Berkely planners now finding ways to make them worthless.

    But there is hope: go to Dyer Nevada, Esmerelda county. Beautiful ranches surrounded by snow capped peaks and NO building dept. Just start hammering!


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