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    My god......another anti DIY member? But I thought I was the anti-DIY guy LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by ditttohead View Post
    lol, what experience do I have? You didnt load that question did you? If I answer about my experience, you will claim I am bragging and even so, my experience means nothing to you regardless. Stop trolling and answer the OP in a professional manner. Other than selling, applying, and installing container loads of calcite and corosex medias for residential, commercial, industrial, municipal, waste water etc, my experience with Calcite and Corosex is really minimal.

    Applying corosex is difficult, but it can be done by using simple tables provided by the manufacturer, and with a proper water test, which you have stated on many occassions is a waste of money. Obviously if you think 80% Corosex is always a bad idea, then good for you. I prefer to follow the manufacturers application recommendations, experience, and proper testing methods. That is how licensed professionals usually do it.
    Yes applying Corrosex is difficult, especially in residential applications like the one in this thread.

    Anyone interested in using Corrosex (or the manufacturer's FloMag) check out what Clack Corp says about it.

    http://www.clackcorp.com/downloads/i...rosex_2616.pdf
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    You know what Gary? There are 17 replies in this thread and I don't see one single one of them from you that gives the OP any sort of helpful advice whatsoever so who's the Anti-DIY guy here? The FACT is that he has a problem, someone is trying to solve his problem and YOU are here bashing the solution. Here's your real problem. The OP bought the equipment and had it installed by a local water filtration company and they will more than likely service that equipment and they will have to adjust and or sort out the issues he may have with it but in the end...they can because they are there and you internet dealers (sorry ex-internet) can't give people that level of service. Nobody here is arguing that Corosex can be problematic but it should also get the job done.
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    Really? ... looking back I was the second to reply (post #3), just after you replied (post #2) saying 'all's well', while I questioned the 80% Corrosex and saying the price was way high.

    Since then you said the price was a bit high and got cartoony and personal while DH filled the thread with gobs'n gobs of words but never did solidly answer the OP's questions and had no concern of the new equipment not working. That's the California PC speak I mentioned. You've also said the new stuff should work and I don't think so but, what do ya wanna bet Dh may have voted for Moonbeam?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Slusser View Post
    I really question the 80% Corrosex and the 2 AN filters but IMO you should have questioned this before getting the $4250 bill but, now time will tell if it works or not.

    BTW, I think $4250 is way high; you'd swear the guy was a plumber instead of an independent water treatment dealer.

    So here is your post, where is there ANYTHING helpful in that ? LOL
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    See if you can follow along...

    SMS1944 said: "My specific question is whether this seems like a reasonable corrective action. The price is high but I am willing h spend an extra $4250 if this will finally correct the problem. We have septic too and are concerned that the PH may become too high and cause a problem. We don't know if this system can properly regulate the PH'.
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    Oh just go away, you added nothing of help to the OP whatsoever and you know it.
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    No matter your opinion, you're entitled it, and to be wrong as often as you want to be. And I'm entitled to my opinions. It sounds as if you've gotten all emotional again, isn't there a cartoon you can come up to make you feel better?

    BTW, if you don't like my replies, knowing your acting abilities, you should be able to act like a grownup and not read them.
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    Nah, I'm just poking fun at you. There's not much point in getting emotional over anything you post LOL When it comes to acting like a grown up I follow your lead. LOL
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    Wow, so now my political affiliations are known because of a post I did regarding water treatment. I am truly impressed that someone has that much foresitght, knowledge, and soothsaying ability.

    FYI, figure out my political affiliation by my name, it is not like I am hiding it. And one of my daughters names is Condoleezza, hmmmm, for some reason I dont think I voted for the Brownstreak. I do agree with certain aspects about our industry. We have been slow to react and many companies still practice horribly inefficient ideas that hurt our industries reputation as a whole. Iron removal above a part or two with softening is a perfect example.

    I would think that a good way to improve the quality of the postings here is to indicate the "professionals" qualifications in their signature.

    Certified Water Specialist and level, licensed plumber, C-55 licensed contrator, small systems operator, USP certified system operator, WFI certified systems operator, Troll, etc. could be some of the designations. maybe we could vote on this idea?

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    TROLL LOL! Maybe it could stand for typing rediculous objections or love letters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMS1944 View Post
    My wife and I have no understanding how to resolve our problem. We noted blue-green discoloration in our toilets. We tested our well water and there was no significant copper emanating from the well and the first draw from our faucet read 0.62. We thus had corrosion causing leaching from our copper pipes. A water softener company checked our water. The pH was 7.5 at the sink and we were told that we had elevated CO2 in our drinking water. We previously had a water conditioner and neutralizer. We called a national company who added soda ash but we were unable to maintain a stable pH in our sink water. They then tried Carus 4200 orthophosphate. After two months, again there was no copper emanating from the well and the sink first draw showed the same elevated 0.62 copper level. Our pH remains at 7.5. The Carus company (manufacturer of orthophosphate) stated that probably our water was made too soft for the orthophosphate to be effective. I told this information to the national water softener company and their response was to remove all their equipment and return our money. They were unwilling to try to alleviate the problem by increasing slightly the hardness of the water. Well, with no solution, we called a local non -national water treatment company. He did not retest our water, referring to our previous independent lab evaluations. His solution was to maintain our previous 2 cu ft Clack softener with a dome top,add two 10" x 54"filter 5800 SXT-neutralizer with a 80%Corasex-20%Calcite blend, properly ground the well tank to house electrical main, maintain a ph 8.2-8.6. He assures us that this will eliminate the excess copper leaching from our corroded pipes. He is charging $3000 for the 2neutralizers and $1250 additional parts and labor. My specific question is whether this seems like a reasonable corrective action. The price is high but I am willing h spend an extra $4250 if this will finally correct the problem. We have septic too and are concerned that the PH may become too high and cause a problem. We don't know if this system can properly regulate the PH. We are at wits end. Thank you, Stephen
    Very suprised you had CO2 with a 7.5 pH. I would be very suprised if that was a test performed by a laboratory. The guideline for pH by the EPA is 6.4 to 9.5. A pH of 7 is neutral. 7.5 is alkaline. The green in toilet bowls is probably because the water doesn't turn off quickly enough. Even a low pH is not very agressive on cold water. No matter what the pH is if water sits long enough on first draw you will always get copper leaching - more pronounced on the hot. You can have an electrician check for electrolysis as that can cause cooper to leach. Short of that I would not treat the pH as it is well within the EPA guidelines. You may also seek advice of a state licensed lab. that does water testing.

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    If I had the cajone's to try and sell my customers PH mediation for water running 7.5 I would be a millionaire. Around here, everyone's water runs low PH.
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