(206) 949-5683, Top Rated Plumber, Seattle
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 44

Thread: variable bringing

  1. #1
    DIY Senior Member lifespeed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    California
    Posts
    319

    Default variable bringing

    Is variable brining a standard feature of the 7000SXT metered valve. Or is that just a special version of the valve for a certain OEM?
    Last edited by lifespeed; 06-07-2012 at 04:42 PM.

  2. #2
    In the Trades Tom Sawyer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Maine
    Posts
    2,940

    Default

    Reserve Selection for Fleck 7000SXT


    For some reason the link above is not active or I can't make it active but if you search for it, it's there.

    Read this discussion
    Last edited by Tom Sawyer; 06-07-2012 at 06:07 AM.
    [B]No, plumbing ain't rocket science. Unlike rocket science, plumbing requires a license[B]

  3. #3
    That's all folks! Gary Slusser's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Wherever I park the motorhome.
    Posts
    6,790

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by lifespeed View Post
    Is variable bringing a standard feature of the 7000SXT metered valve. Or is that just a special version of the valve for a certain OEM?
    IIRC the 7000 does not have variable brining.

    BTW, it appears that the 7000 isn't selling all that well.
    Gary Slusser Retired (= out of business)
    Click Here to learn how to correctly size or program a water softener.
    CAUTION, as of Nov 12 2013 all YouTube videos showing how to rebuild a Clack valve have an error in them that can cause damage.

  4. #4
    In the Trades Tom Sawyer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Maine
    Posts
    2,940

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Slusser View Post
    IIRC the 7000 does not have variable brining.

    BTW, it appears that the 7000 isn't selling all that well.

    And your point is? Or is this more trolling? LOL
    [B]No, plumbing ain't rocket science. Unlike rocket science, plumbing requires a license[B]

  5. #5
    That's all folks! Gary Slusser's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Wherever I park the motorhome.
    Posts
    6,790

    Default

    Originally Posted by Gary Slusser

    IIRC the 7000 does not have variable brining.

    BTW, it appears that the 7000 isn't selling all that well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post
    And your point is? Or is this more trolling? LOL
    Reserve Selection has nothing to do with variable brining. So why the reference to a thread about that?

    My point is he very probably is looking into buying a softener with a 7000 control valve and wants variable brining, and I saw yesterday that the 7000 may not be selling very well. He may want to know that.

    Sorry you had trouble understanding that without me explaining it to you.
    Gary Slusser Retired (= out of business)
    Click Here to learn how to correctly size or program a water softener.
    CAUTION, as of Nov 12 2013 all YouTube videos showing how to rebuild a Clack valve have an error in them that can cause damage.

  6. #6
    In the Trades Tom Sawyer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Maine
    Posts
    2,940

    Default

    He already has a 7000SXT
    [B]No, plumbing ain't rocket science. Unlike rocket science, plumbing requires a license[B]

  7. #7
    Water systems designer, R&D ditttohead's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    California
    Posts
    1,707
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    The 7000SXT does not have variable brining, some of the custom 7000's do have it. Watts has one of the best 7000 variants which has a very well designed and well thought outvariable brining feature. Some companies also sell the 7000XTR, this also has variable brining.

    Variable brining has a lot of potential, especially when a system is undersized. If a system is properly sized, the variable brining feature becomes less of a factor.

    During a recent test, we were able to see a much higher efficiency when we installed a .5 cu. ft. system with the 7000XTR to a house with 22 grains, and 5 people. The variable brining was able to minimize the salt waste caused by regenerating every night. I was impressed by the systems ability to accurately regenerate the system, and maintain soft water without wasting salt as a non variable brining system would do.

    A variable brining design could be used commercially as well in place of a twin alternating system (not recommended) The system will still have an hour of hard water in the middle of the night, but this is better than doubling your salt usage.

    If you install an undersized system with variable brining you will minimize wasted salt, but water conservation will go out the window.

    Hope this helps
    Last edited by ditttohead; 06-07-2012 at 09:46 AM.

  8. #8
    That's all folks! Gary Slusser's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Wherever I park the motorhome.
    Posts
    6,790

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post
    He already has a 7000SXT
    LOL Really?

    Here's what he said;
    variable bringing
    "Is variable bringing a standard feature of the 7000SXT metered valve. Or is that just a special version of the valve for a certain OEM?
    ".

    Now from that, how do you get that he already has a 7000?
    Gary Slusser Retired (= out of business)
    Click Here to learn how to correctly size or program a water softener.
    CAUTION, as of Nov 12 2013 all YouTube videos showing how to rebuild a Clack valve have an error in them that can cause damage.

  9. #9
    In the Trades Tom Sawyer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Maine
    Posts
    2,940

    Default

    Did you happen to notice that Lifespeed has posted on a couple other threads here concerning HIS 7000SXT and you even answered him. Keep with the program Einstein, you're falling behind LOL

    Are you Really going to harrass him for mis-spelling brining? Really? Good lord folks......

    Here, I'll save you the trouble of trying to prove me wrong.

    This is from an earlier post by him
    I think a lot of your problems come from not reading posts or following threads and you get confused and then lash out at folks that are just trying to help.


    lifespeed View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message View Blog Entries View Articles Add as Contact
    DIY Member Join Date Apr 2007
    Location California
    Posts 96 brine quantity check
    How accurate is the brine quantity generated by the timed flow from a fixed restrictor at the end of a regen cycle? In my case I'm using a Fleck 7000SXT with 0.25 GPM restrictor. I wanted to confirm the correct quantity of brine in the tank, so I measured the brine level and calculated the volume. Then I realized I was measuring the solid salt displacing the brine as well. That won't work . . .

    I guess I am wondering how a measured brine quantity that sits in the tank for three weeks measures out after evaporation. Yes, three weeks is along time between regens. I guess we're a low-flow household.

    Is this an issue that warrants concern? Should I put an extra 0.25 gallons in the tank to account for evaporation? Also, where do I find the restrictor to confirm the correct size? Is it behind the clip that holds the brine line into the valve?

    My apologies to you folks trying hard to keep this thread straight. By now it looks like a can of Franco-American doesn't it?
    Last edited by Tom Sawyer; 06-07-2012 at 10:30 AM.
    [B]No, plumbing ain't rocket science. Unlike rocket science, plumbing requires a license[B]

  10. #10
    Water systems designer, R&D ditttohead's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    California
    Posts
    1,707
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    LOL, this thread is such a simple one, and it is going to turn into a 5 page beast because someone has a weird chip on their shoulder.

  11. #11
    In the Trades Tom Sawyer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Maine
    Posts
    2,940

    Default

    Not by me. I'm letting it go regardless of the coming nonsense LOL
    [B]No, plumbing ain't rocket science. Unlike rocket science, plumbing requires a license[B]

  12. #12
    That's all folks! Gary Slusser's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Location
    Wherever I park the motorhome.
    Posts
    6,790

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post
    Not by me. I'm letting it go regardless of the coming nonsense LOL
    The first reply in this thread was done by you and mentioned Reserve Selection which has nothing to do with variable brining.

    I then answered the question correctly; regardless who started the thread.
    Gary Slusser Retired (= out of business)
    Click Here to learn how to correctly size or program a water softener.
    CAUTION, as of Nov 12 2013 all YouTube videos showing how to rebuild a Clack valve have an error in them that can cause damage.

  13. #13
    In the Trades Tom Sawyer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Maine
    Posts
    2,940

    Default

    No, Einstein, sorry no.... In a futile attempt to shorten what I was certain would turn into yet another derailed mess I posted a link to another thread here that might help explain the difference between variable brining and variable reserve and I am even man enough to admit that I didn't read all the posts there and maybe should have but either way his question is answered. And for the record HE DOES HAVE A FLECK 7000SXT LOL
    [B]No, plumbing ain't rocket science. Unlike rocket science, plumbing requires a license[B]

  14. #14
    DIY Senior Member lifespeed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    California
    Posts
    319

    Default

    So here is what I don't get about variable brining: the quantity of brine is set by the brine fill AFTER a regen. But you need the brine quantity for a regen to be set BEFORE the regen so that you don't waste salt be regenerating unused capacity.

    Or maybe that is the difference - variable brining does a brine fill before the regen, using the amount of salt required to regenerate to full capacity, without regenerating unused capacity.

    I had actually thought this would be useful for an oversize system (mine) so salt would not be used unnecesarily if the time between regens (day override) was set to a shorter time than that dictated by capacity and water use. I get about 3800 gallons of capacity out of my 30K grain (6 lbs/ft) 1.5 cu ft system. But it takes about 3 weeks to use that much water, and I have DO set to 24.

    Some say it is important to regen every 8 days for softener resin health. Personally, I am sceptical. I have city water and a GAC filter in front, so hard to believe the resin is getting very dirty between cycles.

  15. #15
    In the Trades Tom Sawyer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Maine
    Posts
    2,940

    Default

    I have units in the field set for two weeks plus between regen's with no discernible problems.
    [B]No, plumbing ain't rocket science. Unlike rocket science, plumbing requires a license[B]

Similar Threads

  1. Bringing plumbing to an outdoor shed?
    By aprofetto in forum Plumbing Forum, Professional & DIY Advice, Tips & Tricks
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 04-11-2011, 06:15 AM
  2. Bringing in a new water supply line
    By davesnothome in forum Plumbing Forum, Professional & DIY Advice, Tips & Tricks
    Replies: 18
    Last Post: 09-25-2009, 06:08 AM
  3. Variable speed or std. air handler?
    By estone in forum HVAC Heating & Cooling
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 10-28-2008, 03:24 PM
  4. Bringing Stand-Up Shower through Tight Spaces
    By Crazy Carl in forum Shower & bathtub Forum & Blog
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 04-26-2008, 03:52 PM
  5. Pex is Pex? Or are there variable levels of quality?
    By pmayer in forum Plumbing Forum, Professional & DIY Advice, Tips & Tricks
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 02-14-2007, 05:28 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •