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    Default Explanation of integral overflow on American Standard Princeton tub

    I have been trying to understand the advantage of the integral overflow option on some of the American Standard Princeton models (like the 2395.202IBS). It comes with a drain assembly and I had thought the advantage was you didn't have to deal with the separate purchase and install of a tub waste, but the retailer is telling me that I have to purchase a tub waste with this model also.

    Doesn't that defeat the purpose? Is that correct?

    I tried to talk with an American Standard rep but all I could understand from her was that the integral option model saved some plumbing time/expense, but I'm still not clear on what that savings is exactly.

    Thanks for any help here on the explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddb View Post
    I have been trying to understand the advantage of the integral overflow option on some of the American Standard Princeton models (like the 2395.202IBS). It comes with a drain assembly and I had thought the advantage was you didn't have to deal with the separate purchase and install of a tub waste, but the retailer is telling me that I have to purchase a tub waste with this model also.

    Doesn't that defeat the purpose? Is that correct?

    I tried to talk with an American Standard rep but all I could understand from her was that the integral option model saved some plumbing time/expense, but I'm still not clear on what that savings is exactly.

    Thanks for any help here on the explanation.

    -Todd
    I believe the integral overflow is part of an internal overflow system so the benefit of having one is more cosmetic and not really something you will save money on. I imagine it is the exact opposite.

    A traditional overflow is exposed and the water runs into it and down to the PTrap. With an integral overflow the water level rises inside the tubs inner walls and inside the tub. I'm not sure I would want this since this area is not seen and would be close to impossible to clean.

    Perhaps try calling another American Standard rep and ask again.

    I hope this is close to helping you out but I might be way off in left field here.


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    You still have to purchase the somewhat expensive drain fitting for the bottom of the tub, because you need a "longer" one with the overflow inlets on the sides, which is ONLY made by American Standard. in addition, the drain opening MUST be exactly under the tub outlet because there is no latitude for movement or adjustment like you get with a conventional waste and overflow.
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    I think they are confused. I found a picture and it shows the drain built into the tub kind of like a sink over flow. The link want work. This is what it says under the picture....."Photograph details integral overflow and drain assembly. Drain assembly included with bath."
    Last edited by Smooky; 04-20-2012 at 10:04 AM.

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    quote; Drain assembly included with bath."

    The supply house I buy from ordered one a few years ago and the customer had to buy the drain fitting.
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    There is also an "integral overflow" design which is a "grill" in a recess in the rim of the tub. This one needs a special waste and overflow which "bolts" to the bottom of the grill.
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