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Thread: Bradford White get HORRIFIC reviews vs. Rheem? What?

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    Default Rheem is the best overall

    we are having a rash of problems with bradford...
    many of them installed with a water softener are only
    lasting a short while before going bad..like 5 years or less
    I dont think they are useing a good quality steel or their
    inner glasslineing is poor.

    the rheems seem to last longer with soft water involved.

    I changed out a rheem on sat morning that we installed back in
    1998 so we are doing pretty well with them overall

    the new issue with Bradfords is the crappy ICON valve that is now
    being crammed down everyones throat.... they are problematic
    and are going to be a service nightmare down the road,,,

    I would be willing to bet that in 10-12 years the plastic body threaded
    into the water heater will either start leaking or become brittle and crack
    but odds are the heater probably wont last 10 years anyway,
    so I guess that is not going to be a problem


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    Default Thanks HJ!

    "I have seen MANY "big box" products with defects that would never have passed a good "final inspection" so the implication is that they never had a "final inspection".


    My current 10-11 year old heater is a GE 9yr (Rheem)-no problems.

    Twas curious as to your statement about big box defective GE's-what final inspection are you referring to and what are the common defects do you see that QC missed?

    For example...the Rheem 2250VF1 seems to rebadged as the 6/9/12 year GEvariant at HD ranging in price from 429 to 598.

    The FHR/Recovery, Dimensions and weight are the same...so is it the same heater?



    http://www.amazon.com/Rheem-22V50F1-...owViewpoints=1


    Only diff is the 6/9 year have a plastic drain valve and the 6 is not self cleaning. Is it worth the 170 dollars between the 6 and the 12 based on build quality differences?

    Thanks!

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    Master Plumber Mark....

    We posted at the same time.....

    Big dilemma here...I can get the GE (Rheem 2250VF1?)) 6 yr for 429 or the 9Yr for 549.....Both have plastic Drains-you have to go 12 yr to get the brass.

    Do you see a big quality diff between the 6/9/12 rebadged Rheems-or are they all the same.

    The Rheem Fury's at least do not have the ICON valve!

    Thanks......the money I save can be used on a Reciculator Pump!


    Have a great day!


    Regards....

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    Don't get hung up on the type of drain valve. I doubt any of the ones you are looking at come with the type of valve Ballvalve is referring to:

    a full-port ball valve.

    Some of the pros on this site recommend replacing the cheap valve (be it plastic, or even brass if it's not a full-port brass valve) with a good-quality brass full-port ball valve. That's what I did when my new WHs were installed. Not expensive, and it makes future flushing a lot less trouble.

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    you are makeing too much out of this ....

    the plastic drain valve will probably last forever
    and its no big deal...
    why not just buy a brass valve if you are worried about it
    and just change it out when you install it fro about $6 bucks..???

    get the Ge and you will be ok...
    get the Rheem and you will be ok

    it only heats water, its not going to the moon.
    both units will work fine....





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    quote; they are problematic
    and are going to be a service nightmare down the road,,,

    Never mind "down the road" they are a nightmare "NOW".
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    I do NOT install GE water heaters, so I only get them when they start leaking. But a plumber told me the other day, that he installed one and it srarted leaking the next day. He replaced it and that one lasted two weeks. That is a losing proposition when you have to "eat" the cost of removing it, returning it, (after holding with GE on the phone for half an hour to get "permission" to return it), and then installing the replacement.
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    ALL new heaters have the FVIR system which is what you call a TRD. The purpose of the FVIR is to prevent an explosion in case some "knucklehead" spills a can of gasoline next to the water heater.
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    Point taken....Does that void the warranty? But that will void the warranty.

    Thanks....

    BTW...My plastic valve is plugged when wide open - so it is a big deal going forward.....I am going to use a washer fill hose connected to a hose and blast the sediment back.

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    See message below.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by hj View Post
    ALL new heaters have the FVIR system which is what you call a TRD. The purpose of the FVIR is to prevent an explosion in case some "knucklehead" spills a can of gasoline next to the water heater.

    Sorry but your mistaken, a TRD is exclusive to Rheem brands. Thermal release device. The Rheem units would still be FVIR without the addition of the TRD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hj View Post
    I do NOT install GE water heaters, so I only get them when they start leaking. But a plumber told me the other day, that he installed one and it srarted leaking the next day. He replaced it and that one lasted two weeks. That is a losing proposition when you have to "eat" the cost of removing it, returning it, (after holding with GE on the phone for half an hour to get "permission" to return it), and then installing the replacement.

    Two tanks leaking in two weeks...Sure it's not the plumber as what are the odds two Rheems leak in two weeks?

    Hackney mentioned BW is having tank and valve probs(ICON)-so the top two MFGS are selling crap now...wow...Makes the decision process difficult when the top two brands are having serious probs.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ST1300Rider View Post
    Two tanks leaking in two weeks...Sure it's not the plumber as what are the odds two Rheems leak in two weeks?

    Hackney mentioned BW is having tank and valve probs(ICON)-so the top two MFGS are selling crap now...wow...Makes the decision process difficult when the top two brands are having serious probs.....
    I mentioned the whirlpool heater that uses the honeywell smartvalve.....thats really stupid as it cant remember its codes.

    I'd buy the GE with the 12 yr warranty and be done with it. They back their product just as good or better than anyone else. Infact if you had to order service poarts for the G.E. they ship from Rheem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hackney plumbing View Post
    I mentioned the whirlpool heater that uses the honeywell smartvalve.....thats really stupid as it cant remember its codes.

    I'd buy the GE with the 12 yr warranty and be done with it. They back their product just as good or better than anyone else. Infact if you had to order service poarts for the G.E. they ship from Rheem.

    Yes that would be Rheems 42VR50...Badged as the GE SG50T12AVG...

    All this FVIR, Tank leaks and TRD talk...I'll pay HD the 99 bucks for the lifetime ( years 2-12) complete labor/parts/replacement warranty. Sounds like I'd spend over 99 bucks in the 2nd year with a FVIR/TRD failure.

    That 100 bucks works out to 9 dollars a year for zero out of my pocket vs. 150 bucks for 1 service call from the Plumber.

    ~550 for the GE/ Rheem 12 yr SG50T12AVG+100 for lifetime parts/labor/replacement warranty= Peace of Mind!

    No offense; but thinking of calling a plumber gives me heart palpitations.
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    Around here, all the GE water heaters are made in mexico. So perhaps the American MFGRS have had to downgrade quality in order to survive and keep a few more Americans from living in a shopping cart or back with mom and dad.

    There ARE real water heaters made in the USA, they say commercial, and they have 3 or 4 REAL anodes, not the little short piece of maybe aluminum rod in the home depression store. I DO buy the cheap electrics, but change to a full length magnesium anode and full port clean out. so for 50 bucks you have a 15 year heater.

    Or spring for a 98% Polaris, stainless steel, condensing, and I stopped draining it after a year because NOTHING ever came out - the spiral heat exchanger never gets hot enough to take minerals out of solution, at least at my lower temps.

    http://www.google.com/products/catal...d=0CHAQ8wIwAg#

    I would buy by the pound. This guy is 580 pounds - cheaper by the pound than those folgers coffee cans at Loweballs and homeydepression.
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