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I called my supplier, the owner has never heard of a GFCI receptacle specifically for appliances. I check the Leviton web site. I don't see one there either.
Does anyone have a link?
Does anyone have a link?
There is no one that has said that they don’t trip. What I am saying is if they do trip it is for a reason and the ONLY reason is a difference in current between the black and white wire. They don’t just trip for any reason. This is fact like it or not.Y'all can talk theory till yer bleu in the face...I know for a fact that GFCIs do trip w/o reason. There's probably a good 100 million people in this country who could confirm that they've had random trips.
The books are the facts, the numbers are the facts, anything else is conjure due to the lack of the facts. A resistance of 30k between the hot and neutral is enough to cause a GFCI to open. This can come from moisture. It can come from inductance between the conductors in a cord if the cord has been treated roughly. The GFCI didn’t trip for just any reason; it tripped because of a reason and that is the facts.If your head is too far up your arse to deal with reality, that's your problem. Theory or no theory, calculate all you want. Think about it for another few years, run the calcs, read your textbooks. Keep telling people the "facts" based on books.
One fact is for sure GFCI protection has been required for every receptacle in commercial kitchens where there is all kinds of electrical motor driven equipment including refrigerators and freezers. I can’t help but wonder just how all these devices are not having the same problem. Can you explain it to us?Fact is, in the real world the things do trip, and its not always for a good reason. Many thousands of people can confirm this. Therefore, GFCIs should not be put on appliances such as refrigerators, freezers, cooktops, D/W, disposals, etc.
The books are the facts, the numbers are the facts, anything else is conjure due to the lack of the facts. A resistance of 30k between the hot and neutral is enough to cause a GFCI to open. This can come from moisture. It can come from inductance between the conductors in a cord if the cord has been treated roughly. The GFCI didn’t trip for just any reason; it tripped because of a reason and that is the facts.
One fact is for sure GFCI protection has been required for every receptacle in commercial kitchens where there is all kinds of electrical motor driven equipment including refrigerators and freezers. I can’t help but wonder just how all these devices are not having the same problem. Can you explain it to us?
Still don't change the FACT that the only thing that will cause a GFCI device to open is a difference in the current on the two wires
I called my supplier, the owner has never heard of a GFCI receptacle specifically for appliances. I check the Leviton web site. I don't see one there either.
Does anyone have a link?
Here is a link to 1 type available.
http://www.snw.ac.th/courseware/www...e/electrical/pdf-document/circuits/qo_epd.pdf
These are Panel Breakers, not Outlet Receptacles.
If you search for "EPD" on the internet, I am sure that you can find many more.
And these are not ground fault circuit interupters for personal.
Heat tape for pipe lines. Unless you have a pipeline in your home there is no requirement to have one of these.True, they are Equipment Protection Devices used for normally Grounded Appliances.
That does not include Toasters that have a two conductor line cord.
Heat tape for pipe lines. Unless you have a pipeline in your home there is no requirement to have one of these.
Ok, this will be my last post on the subject.
Please Don't make it the your last post on the subject, Because help is need on this subject all of the time.
It is good to have knowledgeable Experienced Persons like Yourself, too help people experiencing this very issue.
Ok, I guess I should have said on this thread. I'm sure I'll post on it again, but I'm tired of this pissing match with jw when its clearly going nowhere. I'm not giving up on everyone though
I think that a lot of people feel the same way.
He is very knowledgeable.
He needs to come to Texas to buy him a new hat.
They make them big in Texas.
Haha. Thanks for this... gave me a good laugh.
I do agree, jw is definitely very knowledgeable. He probably knows the theory better than anyone on here (or at least has spouted it off more). The buck doesn't stop at theory though, and sometimes people just don't get that.
Don and Mt I do appreciate the words of kindness. I have dedicated my life to education of the electrical trade. That is the reason why I accepted the position I have on this site as well as others.
There is a big difference in what we think we know and what we know for sure.
This is awkward, but...
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