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    Question Replacing Gas Boiler & Water Heater. WITH WHAT???

    I always thought Weil McLain was the best. I planned to use Ultra Plus 230 Condensing high efficiency boiler w/ Ultra Plus 40 indirect heater but web searches reveal issues and poor reviews. Now I need Subject Matter Experts like yourselfs to help me.

    I have the funds to do this once but don't have the funds for costly repair bills if there are future issues.

    My most important criteria: RELIABILITY.

    I can vent through the chimney or go out a wall.

    Please provide your opinion for what system / manufacturer I should use and why.

    Thank you in advance!!!
    Brian

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    Of equal importance is the training of the installation tech. Sizing and setup are critical to the best operation and reliability.

    I went with a Buderus unit and a Superstor Ultra indirect on my R&R. It's been three years now, and it's just purring along. It didn't hurt that the US distributor and training center is within 20-miles of my house, but I asked around and it got some of the best reviews. The guy that installed it had one in his home, which is a good sign, too. There are several others that are decent. I originally was thinking about the Weil McLain, but the contractor had had too many problems with the heat exchanger and wouldn't install the Ultra. They may very well have resolved that glitch by now.
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    Is this gas and conventional or condensing you have?
    Last edited by bjferri; 10-19-2011 at 01:09 PM.
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    It's a mod-con with one of the widest modulation ranges available. http://www.buderus.us/residentialhom...sproducts.html
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    Every good heating system starts with a heat load analysis- size matters, both for efficiency, but also for reliability. An oversized beast- even a mod-con will see an order of magnitude more firing cycles than one more appropriately sized for the load. If the system is cut up into multiple zones it's even worse. Every ignition cycle & flue purge is both an efficiency hit and adds some wear to the system components.

    If you have all the numbers off the rating plate of the older system (or make & model #) and a year's worth of fuel consumption data and your ZIP code (for weather data and heating design temperature purposes) it's easy to calculate an upper bound on sizing. The Ultra 230 has gia-NORMOUS output compared to the actual design day needs of average sized homes, or even reasonably-insulated mansions. (It's about 7-8x the boiler I'd need for my ~2200' +1500' of semi-conditioned basement 1920s antique bungalow in central MA.) Unless you live in a 10,000' leaky 2x4 stick-built with only single-pane double hungs (no storms) and no insulation, or you're heating your swimming pool with it as well as the house, I'm betting that you can downsize considerably from the 230.

    Then there's the issue of radiation type, number of zones, size of the smallest zone, etc.

    The size & type of the indirect tank will depend on the boiler size and the number of people or anticipated peak loads.

    There are many good mod-cons out there and only a few real dogs- local distributor support & expertise are more important factors than who built the boiler. A really great German or Japanese boiler isn't worth squat if spare parts and expertise are thousands of miles away. (In the mid-Atlantic states, NJ-based Triangle Tube has a huge fan-base for there Prestige Solo line.) To figure out who should be designing/installing the system it's often a good idea to get a few contractor references from the distributor, since they will know who installs a gazillion of 'em and never needs to call the technical support, and they know who keeps calling them back with screwed up systems & components. Being just down the road helps (as it does in Jim's case.)

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