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    Unhappy Torque Arrestor or Not?

    I am about to drop my well pump and saw something about a torque arrestor. I have been reading the threads but I am still unclear if it is good or bad. I am concerned about pulling the pump, if need be, and getting caught on the pitlell adapter. I have a Franklin pump-3phase 2hp pump w/ 2HP motor. It is supposed to do well in sandy conditions...We have that here in SW Wyo. I have a control box in the basement next to the pressure tank(80gal). I had the pump pulled last summer when we stopped getting water(the well silted in). We replaced the Galvanized pipe with 1 1/4" Black Poly Pipe so my wife and I can pull it in the future if need be. I am concerned about how much torque will be placed on the poly pipe and how long before it cracks or breaks. The poly pipe is secure to an adapter with barbed end and 2 hose clamps then threaded into the pump. The same with the pitless adapter. The pump is held up off the bottom by steel wire secured above ground. The wires will be taped every 10'.
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    Chewy

    Type of pump?-FPS4400
    Submersible
    Four wire w/ control box(red,green,yellow,black)
    Wire Size- 12 AWG Wire Length-225'-235'

    One pipe down the well

    Size of Pump?-2HP
    Motor Horsepower?-2HP
    Pump Model #25FA2S4-PE
    Date Pump Installed-10/15/2011-10/30/2011

    Pumping from?
    Water Well
    Depth of well-220'
    Depth to water-110'
    Pump Setting-@200'
    Pipe Size-1 1/4"
    Drop Pipe Material
    Poly (Black)

    Well Recovery Rate-unknown gpm
    Well Casing Diameter-6"id
    Rock Well__________ Sand Well__________ Other-All of the above!
    Date Well Drilled-@08/2008

    Well Casing Material
    PVC

    Pressure Tank?-Yes
    Bladder or diaphragm tank (one pipe to tank)
    Size or model of tank-80 Gal
    Air charge in top of tank, with pump off and water drained-29-30PSI

    Pressure Switch Setting?
    On 30, off 50 -this sounds right,(by memory)
    On 40, off 60_________

    Pump Control Method?-Not sure
    Cycle Stop Valve model #_________
    Variable speed control #__________
    Pump Start Relay (sprinkler timer, no tank)__________
    Manually turned on and off____________

    Pump Protection-Not Sure
    Cycle Sensor_________
    Pumptec_____________
    Low pressure cutoff switch (lever on side)__________
    Other_______________

    Filters or Softeners______________
    Before or after pressure tank_______
    Type of filter-I would like a filter before the pressure tank but not sure what to get!
    Bypass available________________

    Water Used For?
    House Use-Yes 2-Horses Number of baths-2 full Number of People-3
    High Flow Showers-No (energy savers) gpm?-Unkown
    Plus/Or
    Irrigation with timers________
    Irrigation with hoses________
    Heat Pump______gpm?

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    The naysayers are concerned that the torque arrester may jam up in the casing making it hard to pull the pump. I think with a 6" casing and steel wire, the chances of not being able to pull the pump are less. I'd be worried about a 2 HP pump thrashing about hung on poly and even if it didn't break the pipe, it might chafe it or the wire.

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    "torque arrestor" = bad joke, putting dissolved [dissolving] rubber into well and doing nothing.

    Stand offs make perfect sense, [about all a TA can possibly be] and can even be just a million zip ties on the wire to pipe, over length.

    A torque arrestor would need a hose to INFLATE it, if it were to work at all.

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    Use a torque arrestor or not? The vote of whether or not to use one is still out on this one. However torque arrestors aren't inflatable devices!
    Porky Cutter, MGWC
    (Master Ground Water Consultant)

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    The TAs available around here have a bit of a weakness where they attach to the pipe probably because of an attempt to make them a universal fit. When I pulled my 12 year old pump the TA got torn up on the way out, probably from fatigue failure but I attributed it to the fact I clamped it to 1" poly which distorted it. I think they fit best on 1 - 1/5" poly so when I installed a new TA, I sleeved out the poly for a better fit and double clamped it where the rubber was more substantial.

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    Seems if its loose enough to go down the hole, it cant stop rotation. Looks like an expensive standoff to me.

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    $10 for a TA versus $1 for a standoff, if you want to quibble over $9.

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    You won't have a torque problem if your pump doesn't cycle excessively. Cycling excessively is the problem, not the lack of torque arrestors.

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