England starting to imitate America?

**Cookie** · 08-11-2011, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by BobL43

Welcome back Cookie!

Well, thank you Bob, but I am not back, just saw that article and it summed up things too well not to post.

Plus, I got bigger fish to fry at the moment.

**Ian Gills** · 08-12-2011, 09:15 AM

Thank you Cookie.

My current President was and is ill prepared for the job, nor does he have the testicular fortitude to make the hard decisions. Promissing what can not be delivered is the cowards way. I feel for whoever is the next to take the reins after this President and this Congress have finished destroying my country with their greed and corruption.

That's a very disrespectful way to talk about the President of the United States of America.

I have more respect and I would hope others do too.

The guy in question, however, was doomed from Day 1. Bush left an unfixable mess. Hence his quiet exit.

Plus, I got bigger fish to fry at the moment.

Cookie must be over in Don and Bob's electronics part of the forum.

**Tom Sawyer** · 08-12-2011, 10:25 AM

I don't see pointing his failures and short comings out as being disrespectful. The man is and had been a disaster from day one. We are 3 years into his corrupt administration, at what point does the mess stop being Bush's and Obama start taking responsibility for the trillions of dollars he has spent. He reminds me of a petulant child that whines and cries when he doesn't get his way. Thus far his way has put this country on the edge of bankruptcy.

**ballvalve** · 08-12-2011, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

My current President was and is ill prepared for the job, nor does he have the testicular fortitude to make the hard decisions. Promissing what can not be delivered is the cowards way. I feel for whoever is the next to take the reins after this President and this Congress have finished destroying my country with their greed and corruption.

He fired more drone missiles than any pres, and killed Osama. He's got something dangling around down there.

**Cookie** · 08-12-2011, 02:07 PM

No, Cookie isn't anywhere you would want to be. I am slaying the beast again. And, when I am done putting it in its place I will remember you...here in Ian's corner, and get out my mighty soothslayer sword.

now, you know I am only kidding...
I would never do my hair that red. lol.

Infact... I will be glad to have my hair.

any color.

**Ian Gills** · 08-12-2011, 02:53 PM

OK, Cookie. Get well soon.

I'll be waiting here with a heavy dose of socialism.

Meanwhile I'll keep battling with your clones.

**Cookie** · 08-12-2011, 07:30 PM

Their my buds. I'd rather have a heavy dose of chemicals than your socialism, lol. or even staple my head to the rug. Ban socialism!

**Ian Gills** · 08-14-2011, 06:57 AM

There's nothing wrong with being a little bit social.

A little bit of your your wages going to help someone less fortunate than yourself through taxes is a good thing.

People aren't animals. We're a society. And we should help each other out through taxes.

The days of small Government are over.

**wmills** · 08-14-2011, 02:52 PM

Wish you the best Cookie. Some members of my family are fighting a similar battle.

England has always wanted to imitate the freedoms of the USA but could not give up the comfort of having a mommy or daddy figure to blame (the crown). At least we have the option of replacing our figureheads every four years. And in the case of incompetence we shall gladly replace the figurehead who pretends to be in charge now.

**master plumber mark** · 08-14-2011, 04:01 PM

Ian, you are so totally full of crap.....

Cookie has got more common sense than you have
and that is acutally kind of scarey thought......

If this was 400 years ago, they would have sent these rioters to
a penal colony in "Australia called Botany Bay.... they actually used
to have Debtors Prisons in England and usually when the cells got too full
they sent them on a boat ride down to teh southern hemisphere to be slaves....

the RICH in England could give a rats ass about the poor children that are rioting in the streets.
they are not going to cough up one red cent to pay more taxes to give this lost generation
an education or anything else for that matter....

its not in your DNA.... the people in england see everyone on a lower social status as them as Animals
and expect them to be swept away from their site....that is the reason they are burning everything down

. the problem is you have no debtors prisons anymore, no hell hole island to ship them off to
and the world wont allow you to sell them off as slaves either.....

in a bit of a pickle, arent they ??/ old boy

talley ho

**Cookie** · 08-14-2011, 05:41 PM

Sorry to hear about your family members having to fight the same battle. I have some advice for what it is worth for them which is to try to keep a really positive attitude. I believe that a great attitude about it is really a large part of the fight, kind of like, you are what you eat? you are what you think. I know some people will say it because they don't know what else to say to someone like us, but, with me saying it, I really am serious about it much more than I could ever express. I have seen first hand dire consequences of those who think they won't make it, and those on the other hand, who are a stage 4, like me, who just live with it every day, and life just goes on and on. Sometimes, it rears its ugly head and it got to be whacked again, but, you whack it and you move on. I got things to do.

I swore I would give up counting the number of times I have relapsed with this but, it is like an addiction, lol, I can't! This will make #6. What is odd is the fact that I never (and thankfully) look sick. Only once, I did... once. My weight dropped to 88 lbs and I looked too skinny. But, otherwise, my friend in NZ swears I could win a Mrs. America contest. I really do advise people as crazy as this may sound, but, try to have a light heart about it, tell your family members, to fight this problem like hell for it is worth it, (I had been in remission for 5 years) and tell them not to let others get them down. I have met my share of morons in life. Once I accepted a date for dinner with a man I met through work, a broker, and during dinner he asked what I had been doing. Well, I am honest, I said, I just finished chemo. I laugh now, lol, at my stupidity. I don't date well, lol. Well, you would had thought I said, I was an alien from outer space. He told me that I should had told him, before I accepted the date that I had cancer. When I asked why, he said, well, I wouldn't had asked you out. Yeah, that hurt. But, I got up, took a twenty dollar bill out of my purse, laid it on the table, and said, what I thought of him, and warned him what happened to me, could easily happen to you...

Then, I thought when I paid for the cab home, wow! Am I stupid. Just like Mark said, no commonsense, I should had ordered a great desert, more wine, a better steak, and then... told him, when he drove me home, what a moron he was. So, with or without the illness I live with, I keep as best a positive attitude and a funny one as possible. Laughter if healing and being silly, is even better.

Once, only once, you need to walk in my shoes to appreciate just how grounded and smart, I am. I just don't need to flaunt it.

Ian has some good points. Once in a while.

I haven't seen it lately, lol.

**wmills** · 08-15-2011, 03:59 AM

My Sis in law is battling cervical C. for two years and has a great attitude, thought they had it in remission but it came back and is now laughing at her. But she is still strong and worries more about others than she does herself. Anyway I am proud to know you because you are strong and sensible.

And yes Ian does have an occasional good/valid point, just not often. And he is always good for a laugh.

**BobL43** · 08-15-2011, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Cookie

Sorry to hear about your family members having to fight the same battle. I have some advice for what it is worth for them which is to try to keep a really positive attitude. I believe that a great attitude about it is really a large part of the fight, kind of like, you are what you eat? you are what you think. I know some people will say it because they don't know what else to say to someone like us, but, with me saying it, I really am serious about it much more than I could ever express. I have seen first hand dire consequences of those who think they won't make it, and those on the other hand, who are a stage 4, like me, who just live with it every day, and life just goes on and on. Sometimes, it rears its ugly head and it got to be whacked again, but, you whack it and you move on. I got things to do.

I swore I would give up counting the number of times I have relapsed with this but, it is like an addiction, lol, I can't! This will make #6. What is odd is the fact that I never (and thankfully) look sick. Only once, I did... once. My weight dropped to 88 lbs and I looked too skinny. But, otherwise, my friend in NZ swears I could win a Mrs. America contest. I really do advise people as crazy as this may sound, but, try to have a light heart about it, tell your family members, to fight this problem like hell for it is worth it, (I had been in remission for 5 years) and tell them not to let others get them down. I have met my share of morons in life. Once I accepted a date for dinner with a man I met through work, a broker, and during dinner he asked what I had been doing. Well, I am honest, I said, I just finished chemo. I laugh now, lol, at my stupidity. I don't date well, lol. Well, you would had thought I said, I was an alien from outer space. He told me that I should had told him, before I accepted the date that I had cancer. When I asked why, he said, well, I wouldn't had asked you out. Yeah, that hurt. But, I got up, took a twenty dollar bill out of my purse, laid it on the table, and said, what I thought of him, and warned him what happened to me, could easily happen to you...

Then, I thought when I paid for the cab home, wow! Am I stupid. Just like Mark said, no commonsense, I should had ordered a great desert, more wine, a better steak, and then... told him, when he drove me home, what a moron he was. So, with or without the illness I live with, I keep as best a positive attitude and a funny one as possible. Laughter if healing and being silly, is even better.

Once, only once, you need to walk in my shoes to appreciate just how grounded and smart, I am. I just don't need to flaunt it.

Ian has some good points. Once in a while.

I haven't seen it lately, lol.

Cookie, get better soon and your story about that date is proof of how many a**holes there are in this world.

**Cookie** · 08-15-2011, 09:59 AM

It is terrible when it relapses. It doesn't matter if it is the 1st relapse of the 6th, it is heart breaking. Tell Sis in law, she can do it. Tell her, you know a woman here, who has done it more times than she cares to count. I got 5 years out of the last round of treatments. This time, I will get 10. So will she. With a great mindset, you get great results. Don't forget it.

I owe how strong I am to my dad. He used to tell me how headstrong I was, yeah, just like him. So, finally! being stubborn counts! Having a one-track mind counts!
I am and always have been my own person. When I was 5, I was listening to my dad talking to someone about taxes, and I said, " excuse me, but, can't you find a loophole?" I started telling them, about where to find the loopholes within the tax laws; I was in first grade teaching the teacher how to read schematics.

I am smart.

Oh, their are more jerks than one can count. That date was about 5 years ago, but, I still haven't forgotten it, and I see him once in the while when he visits our office and I wait until, he walks past me, and then, I stick my tongue out and put my fingers in my ears wingling them, and everyone around me laughs. He spins around looking directly at me, and I am then, extremely angelic looking. Straight faced and all. He knows I am doing something but, he can't catch me. I am too fast. Too sleek and too sexy. Like a cheetah. He hates me and I don't know why, I love him... lol.

But, their is another broker who is fantastic. And, this will make Ian very happy because he is from England! What a nice guy. He has offered me a position in his office, lunch, dinner, but, sadly, he looks too much like my deceased husband so, I turn it all down. But, he is funny and sweet, and like I said, to my amazement from Ian's neck of the woods

So, their is hope for Ian. Hang in their Ian.

**Ian Gills** · 08-16-2011, 06:54 PM

Well, I have to take a vacation too.

On my travels I went to Pennsylvania where the Amish live. It was fascinating to see their simple way of life. So primitive.

They drink their water from wells.

They are rarely on public sewer.

And those that have power, only have overhead lines feeding their homes.

It was like Europe centuries ago.

The drivers are courteous there though. Someone has taught Pennsylvanians to drive. The only car that cut me up the whole journey had New York plates. Many Americans can't drive. It might be nature, it might be nurture.

the problem is you have no debtors prisons anymore, no hell hole island to ship them off to
and the world wont allow you to sell them off as slaves either.....

The English value human life. If it had been the Americans they would have called in the army and marched those rioters to a football stadium, like during the Vietnam War demonstrations. America treats its people like animals.

And Americans are oh so willing to give to their community but oh so opposed to paying taxes.

Why?